Rumor: Xbox 720 to Have 'Ridiculously Powerful' 16-Core CPU

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kawininjazx

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I doubt it will be 16 cores, unless it's 16 low clock speed low powered cores. These consoles need to launch for $399 or less in my opinion, so I don't see how you can put a $300 processor in them.
 

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I wonder if the end product will have 16 cores. They need to be able to get it under 75W. Also, this is a dev kit, so it may have higher specs or extra cores to handle debugging
 

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[citation][nom]kawininjazx[/nom]I doubt it will be 16 cores, unless it's 16 low clock speed low powered cores. These consoles need to launch for $399 or less in my opinion, so I don't see how you can put a $300 processor in them.[/citation]

I imagine when you buy blocks of 500,000 units the price goes down substantially, if they actually buy them from IBM rather than just buying licencing rights to the chip design. I would think the volume of chips MS would require for the Xbox would double the annual output of what IBM makes for their servers.
 

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@kawininjazx - They don't make money on the console they make a big loss. Over time they'll get costs down and then make a small profit on each one if they are lucky. The real money comes from the game software and accessory profits. But with this next generation of hardware, there will be a huge amount of online services to really rake in the cash. Sure they don't want to make too much of a loss; but if they are planning this for 10 years, a $300 processor gives it the life span to go the distance.
 

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molo9000 just about to say that. Current x86 processors have 8 as well. Why these consoles use PowerPC baffle me especially Microsoft(all of the x86 experience they have but the first xbox for hacked like crazy because of the off the shelve processor).
 

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"too much power"

Seriously; you reporters and writers have to stop using this expression when talking about computers.
There is no such thing as too much power,speed, memory etc. Programmers will find a way to use any amount of processing power given to them !
 

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hard to picture atm. give it a year and a half and it might seem more feasible. maybe theyre thinking forwards.

would really be amazing to see the envelope pushed so far. would be a real step up in gaming to see so many cores utilized.

anyone know of any 16 core ibm power pc processors that fit the bill?
 
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I'm sure 10 of these will be used in an always-online DRM protection.
 

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[citation][nom]neuromancer2701[/nom]molo9000 just about to say that. Current x86 processors have 8 as well. Why these consoles use PowerPC baffle me especially Microsoft(all of the x86 experience they have but the first xbox for hacked like crazy because of the off the shelve processor).[/citation]
PowerPC is actually simpler to develop for, since they're RISC chips. I believe the chips themselves also tend to be cheaper.
 

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I was reading many years ago that microsoft were doing a lot of research and development for their next console , looking into cpu design as well as many other functions that a console uses .
I have read many times that having a 16 core cpu is impossible , what makes a company with billions of dollars resources less intelligent than the man on the street ?

even if they did intend to use a 16 core processor who says it will cost $300 ? it could be low powered and the way it processes data is the job of somebody who has knowledge in computer science .

Anyway , from a accounting point of view , if you have a contract with a company for 30 million processors over a period of lets say 7 years , even if the processors cost $200 each today with the said company have a 15% profit margin included in that price and that is the cost of production ,
every year that product will deprecate in production cost and after a few years will become old tech .
So a deal to supply 30 million processors at least over a period of time could be put into a percentage ratio per console , lets say 25% as a example and it deprecates at 1% a year or what ever the deal details ....

I done a calculation and i guess the processor will cost microsoft roughly $100 per processors per console over its life cycle , as a lot of research and development has already been done by microsoft over the last 5 years , microsoft is not just some stupid company with no idea or money ,
and just to add , when you look on the inter net and see a $300 16 core cpu that price also includes packaging , production , transport , research and development cost , advertisement , the retailers profit margin , plus tax ......

Just a thought , could you imagine a game played on a 400sq island with 30 plus players where you are able to talk with the AI using kinect which have a basic data base of responses , can you imagine leaving your console while its still running and players are still playing , while you fly over to another island =console with another 400sq island , just because they haven't done things like this yet doesn't mean it can not be done , you don't need a powerful GPU for consoles as they work on 1080p tv's ..

I think PC's are cool and can be very much more powerful than consoles , but are develops programming for the PC ? what i mean by that is optimization of the standard set of tech in a console can be much more effective than the different tech you find in a PC .....


 

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Yeah that's all we need is another Egg fryer from MS. I doubt the console will be under $ 399.99 unless they put out a bare bones unit from day one. Probably more like 549.00 for a driveless non backward compatable Console, and $699.00 for media drive backward compatable Console.
 
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