[SOLVED] RX 570 4gb ITX pulse or GTX 1650 4GB oc ?

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Hey,
I have now on my pc an old GTX 650 1gb vram that I bought with my pc in 2014
but now I can't run any game anymore (I playing mainly on simulators like ETS2 and ATS and they are updated now to directx 11 and I can't run them anymore with my GTX 650 1gb)
so I decided that it is the time to upgrade the gpu and because I am not a "hard gamer" I don't need a "monster card" like RTX 2080
so my dilemma is : Gigabyte GTX 1650 4GB OC or Sapphire Radeon RX 570 PULSE ITX 4GB
my pc specs :
intel core i5-4440
8gb ram
motherboard : msi h81m-e33 (ms-7817) - I have 1 PCI express 2.0 x16 slot
psu : thermaltake litepower LTP-450AL2NK
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I have 6-pin connector
I have a bios and not UEFI.
which card is better to buy? and will they be good with my other pc parts?
thanks 🙂
 
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NightHawkRMX
You already have been told by multiple people what their thoughts are on the 1650 on that TT litepower. You have gotten answers, they just are the reality and not what you wanted to hear.

Nobody can tell you what will happen if you use the 1650, but we can predict.
Lutfij said:
Again, your PSU is not something you should have in that system...unless you want to ruin your entire PC.
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NightHawkRMX said:
As for the 1650, maybe. I would not trust it, and if your PSU does work, it will inevitably fail.
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King_V said:
It may work fine, or it may not. You're gambling with your system on that PSU, though. That is on you.
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jonnyguru said:
Your PSU is fine for your old graphics card, but not a new one.
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How old is that PSU? With all due respect to your investments, you shouldn't be working with that PSU. The RX570 is out of the picture since it will need at 500W from a reliable PSU. The GTX1650 might be possible but then again, judging from the state of the case and the pic, the PSU will be incapable of delivering the necessary power to the system.

I'd pick up a CX550W unit while you're purchasing the GTX1650.
 
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Lutfij said:
How old is that PSU? With all due respect to your investments, you shouldn't be working with that PSU. The RX570 is out of the picture since it will need at 500W from a reliable PSU. The GTX1650 might be possible but then again, judging from the state of the case and the pic, the PSU will be incapable of delivering the necessary power to the system.

I'd pick up a CX550W unit while you're purchasing the GTX1650.
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this is new I got it when my previous one have been burned like 5 month ago and in the shop they put my this one. and RX 570 need 150W from the power supply so I am not sure if it is a problem and I can't buy a new one now. what do you think? will this be good ? and what about the other pc parts ?

what is better RX 570 4gb pulse ITX or GTX 1650 4gb oc ?
 
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NightHawkRMX said:
The thermaltake litepowers are very very terrible power supplies. Especially an older ones

I would not trust it with an RX570, period.

The 1650 is probably a better bet, but you will get lower performance
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why ? for the 1650 they recommend 300W psu and mine is 450W..
I can't replace my PSU for now( maybe I will do it in the future) but I really need a new GPU to play at least today's modern simulators, will my PSU will really greatly affect the performance? if yes, what do you suggest me to do?
BTW : I run now GTX 650 1gb with this psu to compare with other cards
 
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now my pc working fine and I don't think that it is PSU problem, just want to upgrade my GPU,
can someone that understand something in pc hardware can give me a proffesional oipnion ?
thanks.
 
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If you don't want to lose performance by opting for a 1650, you need to buy a better PSU.

Of not, you will loose all performance when your PSU inevitably fails.

Its bound to happen, pairing a high draw card with a poor psu like a tt lite power.

When your PSU fails you may have hardware such as your expensive GPU damaged. This is all to common.
 
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NightHawkRMX said:
If you don't want to lose performance by opting for a 1650, you need to buy a better PSU.

Of not, you will loose all performance when your PSU inevitably fails.

Its bound to happen, pairing a high draw card with a poor psu like a tt lite power.

When your PSU fails you may have hardware such as your expensive GPU damaged. This is all to common.
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what you mean when you say "inevitably fails" ?
and my current GPU(GTX650) power consumption is 64W
and the GTX 1650 is 75W, not a big difference so I don't see why is the psu can get damaged and by the way destroy the other parts on my pc?
 
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Your PSU is not recommended for a RX570, however it should be okay with a 1650. It might as well run rx570 fine but why take the risk. As for the graphics card, rx570 should be the better option, although the price of the 1650 Super should be pretty close to a 1650, while the former being the best option in the tier.
 
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AS others have said upgrade your PSU first. I would suggest you look at the R9 290 same as the RX 570 and the R9 380 same as the RX 580 I know I have them in various machines I use or have built. A 450 watt psu is not suitable for any decent gpu I would recommend 750 min.
 
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Stewart_2 said:
AS others have said upgrade your PSU first. I would suggest you look at the R9 290 same as the RX 570 and the R9 380 same as the RX 580 I know I have them in various machines I use or have built. A 450 watt psu is not suitable for any decent gpu I would recommend 750 min.
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with the GTX 1650 will this be good? because @NightHawkRMX said in earlier comments that also with the 1650 I will lose performance and if my psu fails it can also destroy other part and also the gpu
but the 1650 with 4gb is enough for me now.
 
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I can't replace my psu now, maybe I will buy a new computer in the future(2-3 years)so please don't suggest my to buy a new psu.
but now I just want to upgrade my GPU to be able to play simulators like ETS2 , ATS , BS18 , TBS
thats the games I like to play.can someone answer me this questions neatly ? :
1. the GTX 1650 4gb oc will be the best choise for my current PSU ?
2.100% I will not have peformance problems with the GTX1650 because of the psu ?
3.my psu will not make damage to my pc because of the GPU ?
I could not 100% understand you guys because each one says something different.

thanks.
 
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so after much deliberation I decided to buy the GTX 1650 4GB OC to not take a risk with my psu, but before I buy it I want to be sure that I will not have bottleneck with my cpu and ram
cpu : Intel core i5-4440
ram : 8GB
and I have PCI-EXPRESS 2.0 x16 in my motherboard so I assume that this will be good wit the gtx1650 that need PCI-EXPRESS 3.0 x16
and what about the bios ? it will work with bios ? because I have bios installed and not UEFI.

thanks.
 
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NightHawkRMX said:
1650 can play pretty much any game out there, just with settings reduced.

Your PSU wont cause performance issues.

No way to guarentee that PSU won't fail and damage your PC. Again, its a poor quality psu,
I woulnt trust.
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why did you say in earlier comments that I will lose a lot of performance from the GTX1650 becauae of my PSU and now you say that it will work well without performance issues ?
 
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NightHawkRMX said:
I didnt say that.

You will lose performance compared to thr rx570.

But if your psu fails you will lose all performance as your system wont work
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but I think the 1560 is better choise and I prefer to loss 10-15% preformance when taking the 1650 and not the rx 570 than all my pc will die because of incompatible GPU.
 
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The 570 is the more capable card. But, it's also more power hungry. I think you would also need to switch to UEFI, but I'm not sure.

The 1650 is pretty good. Definitely better than the 650 you have.

However, even with your old card, using that particular model of PSU is a risk. It's not about what power it's rated at, it's about the build quality. There are some 450W PSUs that are very sturdy, and I would easily trust with the RX 570. On the other extreme, there are some PSUs that are 450W, or even rated at a higher wattage, that I would only trust to use as a doorstop, and might be a fire hazard if used in a PC.

The Litepower, I wouldn't say it's necessarily a fire hazard, but it is of poor quality. Quality is not only whether or not it fails, but on how clean and stable the power is that it provides to your components. Less stable power ages your other components more quickly, and can eventually cause them to fail.

The PSU is the lifeblood of your system. It should be the priority.
 
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King_V said:
The 570 is the more capable card. But, it's also more power hungry. I think you would also need to switch to UEFI, but I'm not sure.

The 1650 is pretty good. Definitely better than the 650 you have.

However, even with your old card, using that particular model of PSU is a risk. It's not about what power it's rated at, it's about the build quality. There are some 450W PSUs that are very sturdy, and I would easily trust with the RX 570. On the other extreme, there are some PSUs that are 450W, or even rated at a higher wattage, that I would only trust to use as a doorstop, and might be a fire hazard if used in a PC.

The Litepower, I wouldn't say it's necessarily a fire hazard, but it is of poor quality. Quality is not only whether or not it fails, but on how clean and stable the power is that it provides to your components. Less stable power ages your other components more quickly, and can eventually cause them to fail.

The PSU is the lifeblood of your system. It should be the priority.
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don't suggest me to replace my PSU now cuz I can't do it, and now the GTX 650 works fine with my power supply and I never got problems like blue screen, black screen or some other PSU error or problem. I will not buy the RX 570 because of the UEFI (I am not sure if I will need it but I'll not take a risk) and also because of the power supply(I know that the model is not the best one) but I think that the GTX 1650 will be good with my power supply right ? I think I will take the GTX 1650 because I don't need now "monster" card and this will be enough for me for now.
 
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