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Alright so an issue I'm having is that I am getting seemingly BIG stutters in games and performance seems to be below par of videos I've found online of similar builds. I am not the best PC builder but I've learned a few things over the years, though not enough to figure out what's going on with this PC! Here are my specs for starters.

GPU - MSI RX 580 8GB OC Model.
CPU - i7-3770 Intel Processor
RAM - DDR3 Patriot Viper 2 x 8gb 1600mhz in Dual Channel Mode
Storage - 250GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD (OS installed on here. Windows 10 Home) and a 1TB Seagate BarraCuda 6gb/s 64mb Cache
Motherboard - MSI H61MU-E35(B3)(MS-7680)
PSU - EVGA 750watt Power Supply

AMD states that I'm getting on average around 105 fps in Fortnite and 196.3 in TF2 for example, but the frames dip REALLY hard. I thought that this may be a frametime issue with the spikes I see on the graph when using MSI Afterburner's OSD. My current monitor is a little 60hz Proscan TV which is getting replaced by a 144hz Asus monitor, not sure if a monitor can cause these issues but stating what I have is better than nothing!

(I'm planning on trying to move onto a AMD CPU build whenever I can get the cash collected for the parts, but I really want to get this fixed forcurrent use since I may be giving this one to my younger brother later down the road.)
 
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What's odd is CPUz shows it running correctly, but UBM shows it way slow. This is why I dislike UBM as much as I do. Ram is running fine, but I think it's comparing it to all ram, not just ram like it. Same as the SSD. It's not taking the SATA II port into consideration.

If OCing seems to be fixing the issue, than that's the problem. You have an older 4C/8T CPU that is just struggling with games. Add as much speed as you can and use until it dies. Then upgrade.
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RAM and GPU show as running slow. Make sure it's in dual channel, and running at the speed it's supposed to.

I don't know what happened to this thread. I had to approve it for some reason. Hopefully the system doesn't glitch again.
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RAM is in Dual Channel mode. Both the RAM and GPU seem to be running at their speeds. I lowered the core clock a bit for heating issues but the stutters still apply.

The thread probably needed to be approved because I edited a spelling issue with my first post, sorry!

I thought most of these stutters are from poor game optimization at this point, just surprised I'm getting huge spikes. I'd play Doom Eternal and have perfect FPS with little frame drops, though little microstutters. I then play CSGO with the first round freezing from what I can assume is the game assets loading in, then it all balances out but with microstutters. I'm getting a higher refresh rate monitor in the mail in a few days with Freesync to possibly combat that. I'm using an old Proscan 60hz TV for my current monitor haha.
 
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RAM is in Dual Channel mode. Both the RAM and GPU seem to be running at their speeds. I lowered the core clock to 1300 as advised for heating issues, and the fact that it may of been a miner card, but the stutters still apply either way.

The thread probably needed to be approved because I edited a spelling issue with my first post, sorry!

I thought most of these stutters are from poor game optimization at this point, just surprised I'm getting huge spikes. I'd play Doom Eternal and have perfect FPS with little frame drops, though little microstutters. I then play CSGO with the first round freezing from what I can assume is the game assets loading in, then it all balances out but with microstutters. I'm getting a higher refresh rate monitor in the mail in a few days with Freesync to possibly combat that. I'm using an old Proscan 60hz TV for my current monitor haha.
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I'd still like to see the ram settings and timings. Both what they are rated for and what they are running at. Your ram isn't working very well. Bad/slow ram can definitely slow down a CPU.
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I found the listing for the exact RAM I bought from Amazon by Patriot.

The timings are supposed to be: "9-9-9-24", supports XMP 1.3 (and AMP according to CPU-Z, which I have AMP disabled in BIOS) and each stick is at 800mhz. Screenshots below.

CPU-Z Memory Tab and SPD Tab
 
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https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/48836425

Not trying to jinx it, but I tried out CSGO earlier when I first turned on the proper CPU ratio and got absolutely no stuttering! I'm definitely going to test it out more before I can say my issues are cleared up, but things are looking brighter.
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As I was trying to use Afterburner to read temps and CPU usage, I noticed something very off.

Afterburner shows that my CPU is stuck at nearly the same 3.4ghz while Task Manager shows it's at 3.88 to 3.9ghz. Temps are showing fine.
 
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What's odd is CPUz shows it running correctly, but UBM shows it way slow. This is why I dislike UBM as much as I do. Ram is running fine, but I think it's comparing it to all ram, not just ram like it. Same as the SSD. It's not taking the SATA II port into consideration.

If OCing seems to be fixing the issue, than that's the problem. You have an older 4C/8T CPU that is just struggling with games. Add as much speed as you can and use until it dies. Then upgrade.
 
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What's odd is CPUz shows it running correctly, but UBM shows it way slow. This is why I dislike UBM as much as I do. Ram is running fine, but I think it's comparing it to all ram, not just ram like it. Same as the SSD. It's not taking the SATA II port into consideration.

If OCing seems to be fixing the issue, than that's the problem. You have an older 4C/8T CPU that is just struggling with games. Add as much speed as you can and use until it dies. Then upgrade.
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UBM seems weird because big titles run surprisingly well on the build yet UBM swears there's more wrong with the build than there really is. I'd say the issue is simply the CPU seeing as how it's the one not reaching it's 3.9ghz speed after raising the cpu ratio. I'm wanting to move anyways to a AMD CPU build.
 
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UBM seems weird because big titles run surprisingly well on the build yet UBM swears there's more wrong with the build than there really is. I'd say the issue is simply the CPU seeing as how it's the one not reaching it's 3.9ghz speed after raising the cpu ratio. I'm wanting to move anyways to a AMD CPU build.
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Since you raised the cpu to 3.9 is the stuttering now gone?

If it is gone set the cpu back to 3.4 and see if the stuttering comes back.
 
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Since you raised the cpu to 3.9 is the stuttering now gone?

If it is gone set the cpu back to 3.4 and see if the stuttering comes back.
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The stuttering is gone but again, the weird thing is HWMonitor and Afterburner both think my PC is still set at 3.4ghz. I'll set the clock back to 3.4 to see if it comes back. I'll edit this post soon.

Edit: It seems the stuttering has been reduced majorly though it still freezes the tiniest bit on 3.4ghz. Not sure if it's just placebo or something, or if it actually did anything at this point.
 
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Intel sort of took a break for awhile and didn't do much to improve their CPUs. Hardocp did an article once where they took the base i7 from the 3xxx series to the 7700 and clocked them all at 4.2 or 4.0GHz. They found only ~20% gaming difference between the 3770 and 7700. This means if you OC your CPU to as fast as the 7700, you basically have the 7700. You have a good CPU, it's just clocked to slow. That might be the source of your issue, an old CPU that doesn't work fast enough. I was wondering if there was more too it, but perhaps the cigar is a cigar.
 
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The stuttering is gone but again, the weird thing is HWMonitor and Afterburner both think my PC is still set at 3.4ghz. I'll set the clock back to 3.4 to see if it comes back. I'll edit this post soon.

Edit: It seems the stuttering has been reduced majorly though it still freezes the tiniest bit on 3.4ghz. Not sure if it's just placebo or something, or if it actually did anything at this point.
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If setting it to 3.9 as per task manager stops the stuttering then it must be doing something.
No idea what hwmonitor or afterburner are showing.
 
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