Question Rx 6500 xt in motherboard that supports up to 3.0 PCIE

[everettm]

A couple years ago I picked up a RX 6500 XT after my RX 570 stopped working and recently I haven't been too satisfied with its performance. For reference, when playing GTA online, no matter what settings I use, I always seem to be getting 60 or less frames per second, which seems like it could be an issue on my end since you would think fps would improve as i turn the settings down. After doing research and trouble shooting, I found the card works poorly with motherboards that support up to PCIE 3.0 and works best with 4.0. Although this doesn't exactly explain the issues i am having, I was wondering if it would help to get a motherboard that supports 4.0. My only concern with doing this was the compatibility with my other parts interfering with using PCIE 4.0. My specs are as followed...
Ryzen 5 2600
RX 6500xt
16 Gb ram
GIGABYTE B450M DS3H V2 motherboard

If anyone has any other solution's to my recent low fps any tips are appreciated. My drivers are updated and temps seem to be fine.
Thanks

 

[thestryker]

Your CPU is somewhat slow and your GPU is going to be bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0 so it's probably some combination of both. You cannot get PCIe 4.0 support without changing to a new CPU so you'd be buying that on top of motherboard.

Just to make sure your current DRAM is 2 sticks of 8GB?

 

[boju]

What about GTA single player? What's your frame rate like there? Is it better? Im assuming so, GTA online is quite cpu intensive.

What is your ram? Speed does matter for Ryzen.

 

[everettm]

What about GTA single player? What's your frame rate like there? Is it better? Im assuming so, GTA online is quite cpu intensive.

What is your ram? Speed does matter for Ryzen.

when I play single server online its usually around 70 to 80 while story mode had me at me 90-100 if I remember correctly. My ram is advertised to run at 3000 Mhz but in task manager it shows 2666 Mhz.

 

[everettm]

Your CPU is somewhat slow and your GPU is going to be bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0 so it's probably some combination of both. You cannot get PCIe 4.0 support without changing to a new CPU so you'd be buying that on top of motherboard.

Just to make sure your current DRAM is 2 sticks of 8GB?

Yes that's correct.

 

[thestryker]

when I play single server online its usually around 70 to 80 while story mode had me at me 90-100 if I remember correctly. My ram is advertised to run at 3000 Mhz but in task manager it shows 2666 Mhz.

With a 2600 I'm not sure you'd actually be able to run it at 3000 as the Zen+ IMC was pretty bad, but if you could that would help a bit.

When you're playing GTA it'd be worth checking to see what your video card usage looks like (GPU-Z and MSI Afterburner are my favorites, but HWMonitor and HWInfo also work). If it's not in the 90s then you're more CPU limited.

 

[boju]

Is XMP enabled in bios? Without it on ram will run at default speed.

Cpuz spd tab will show what profile your ram can run at. Share a screenshot of that and also memory tab in cpuz which reports running speed like Windows but is more reliable.

 

[everettm]

Is XMP enabled in bios? Without it on ram will run at default speed.

Cpuz spd tab will show what profile your ram can run at. Share a screenshot of that and also memory tab in cpuz which reports running speed like Windows but is more reliable.

about a month ago I enabled it in bios but it didn't seem to change at least in the performance section of task manager, so i ended up turning it back off. I now have it on again but it seems to change nothing,. I will include the screenshots from cpuz.
SPD cpu-z
Memory cpu-z

 

[thestryker]

If turning on XMP results in no change then that means one of two things: your board isn't reading the profile or the system isn't stable so it's being turned off by the motherboard.

 

[digitalgriffin]

A couple years ago I picked up a RX 6500 XT after my RX 570 stopped working and recently I haven't been too satisfied with its performance. For reference, when playing GTA online, no matter what settings I use, I always seem to be getting 60 or less frames per second, which seems like it could be an issue on my end since you would think fps would improve as i turn the settings down. After doing research and trouble shooting, I found the card works poorly with motherboards that support up to PCIE 3.0 and works best with 4.0. Although this doesn't exactly explain the issues i am having, I was wondering if it would help to get a motherboard that supports 4.0. My only concern with doing this was the compatibility with my other parts interfering with using PCIE 4.0. My specs are as followed...
Ryzen 5 2600
RX 6500xt
16 Gb ram
GIGABYTE B450M DS3H V2 motherboard

If anyone has any other solution's to my recent low fps any tips are appreciated. My drivers are updated and temps seem to be fine.
Thanks

2600x doesn't support PCIe 4. You'll need a 3000 series at least. So new motherboard and chip. You're looking to dole out at least $300. It's simply not worth it when 6800 is $420 give or take. You can sell your card for $50 give or take.

And sadly that's really a dog of a card. It only operates in x4 mode. It was a carry over from laptops that didn't belong in the gaming card segment. My 5700XT is considerably faster.

 

[everettm]

2600x doesn't support PCIe 4. You'll need a 3000 series at least. So new motherboard and chip. You're looking to dole out at least $300. It's simply not worth it when 6800 is $420 give or take. You can sell your card for $50 give or take.

And sadly that's really a dog of a card. It only operates in x4 mode. It was a carry over from laptops that didn't belong in the gaming card segment. My 5700XT is considerably faster.

I'm not incredibly worried since I'll be going to college next fall and will probably sell it and get a nice laptop. If I were to post it on market place, how much do you think I could sell it for?

 

[everettm]

If turning on XMP results in no change then that means one of two things: your board isn't reading the profile or the system isn't stable so it's being turned off by the motherboard.

When I enable it and save bios the pc turns on and off a few times then boots. Is this normal or does it indicate a problem?

 

[digitalgriffin]

I can get my 2400g and 3400g to run 3000 xmp. But a lot depends on quality of the motherboard.

My ASRock steel legend b450m will run 4 sticks with 3400g at 3000. But the Asrock b450m AC r2.0 won't even run 4 sticks at 2666 or 2 sticks at 2866. (Garbage motherboard). Same chip. Same memory. Different motherboard.

 

[everettm]

I can get my 2400g and 3400g to run 3000 xmp. But a lot depends on quality of the motherboard.

My ASRock steel legend b450m will run 4 sticks with 3400g at 3000. But the Asrock b450m AC r2.0 won't even run 4 sticks at 2666 or 2 sticks at 2866. (Garbage motherboard). Same chip. Same memory. Different motherboard.

After briefly looking online it seems like my mb should be able to handle 3000 Mhz. Edit: after further looking around I found the processor only supports up to 2833 Mhz. Could the Issue be XMP wants it to be 3000 and it cannot so it just goes back to 2666?

 

[thestryker]

When I enable it and save bios the pc turns on and off a few times then boots. Is this normal or does it indicate a problem?

That's usually a sign that it's not working and then is resetting to default and given what you're seeing in windows regarding speed/latency this makes sense.

 

[boju]

about a month ago I enabled it in bios but it didn't seem to change at least in the performance section of task manager, so i ended up turning it back off. I now have it on again but it seems to change nothing,. I will include the screenshots from cpuz.
SPD cpu-z
Memory cpu-z

Try manually setting ram. Input same timings listed under XMP profile in spd. Use photo on your phone. Dram volt set to 1.35v. XMP is a preset imbedded in the memory stick motherboard reads from and applies settings, sometimes manual helps if there's incompatibilities.

Bios updates has addressed a lot of memory issues. If you haven't done that for a long time it's something you'd ought to do.

 

[--SID--]

Enable XMP and set the RAM speed to 2933 manually.

PCI-e scaling of the RX 6500 XT is bad because it's a x4 card

 

[lordmogul]

If you can't get the RAM to run at 3000 on the platform, might as well looking into tweaking the timings at whatever you can run.

 

[digitalgriffin]

After briefly looking online it seems like my mb should be able to handle 3000 Mhz. Edit: after further looking around I found the processor only supports up to 2833 Mhz. Could the Issue be XMP wants it to be 3000 and it cannot so it just goes back to 2666

Yes. After 3 or 4 reboot retries it will go back to default which is 2666MHz. Try 2833. Use xmp settings but downclock it.

 

[everettm]

Yes. After 3 or 4 reboot retries it will go back to default which is 2666MHz. Try 2833. Use xmp settings but downclock it.

I used this video to set the Dram to 1.35 and the speed to 2933 Mhz and it still turned on and off a few times then booted with the previous speeds. It seems the only way to manually change the speed is to disable xmp. Im unsure about the voltage if it makes a difference but i will try 2833.

 

[thestryker]

I used this video to set the Dram to 1.35 and the speed to 2933 Mhz and it still turned on and off a few times then booted with the previous speeds. It seems the only way to manually change the speed is to disable xmp. Im unsure about the voltage if it makes a difference but i will try 2833.

If you're trying a manual tune you should stick with the XMP voltage (1.35 in this case) until you're stable. Typically for a starter manual tune I'd turn XMP on and then manually change the clockspeed down before optimizing timings etc. It's entirely possible your DRAM/motherboard doesn't like the combination.

 

[boju]

1.35v is safe across all speeds. I think 2666 and below functions at 1.2v. 2933 and above needs 1.35v. 2833 might run at 1.2v but can try 1.35v.

Have you updated bios yet?

 

[digitalgriffin]

I used this video to set the Dram to 1.35 and the speed to 2933 Mhz and it still turned on and off a few times then booted with the previous speeds. It seems the only way to manually change the speed is to disable xmp. Im unsure about the voltage if it makes a difference but i will try 2833.

1.35v is recommended for most oc ram