Ryzen 1600X appears only marginally better than i7-2600k...?

[TheMarkofZollo]

I've recently built a new rig, had a few troubles getting bits and setting up (long story!) but I've found in game it's barely any better than previous rig. Any ideas/tips?

New rig: - 1600X stock with Arctic Freezer 13 LE
- MSI X370 gaming pro carbon
- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200 (v5.39 - yes found later it was Hynix based despite seeing this kit recommended on a couple sites)
- EVGA SC 980 Ti
- Windows 10 on SSD

Old rig: - i7-2600k stock clock and cooler
- Corsair Vengeance 16 GB @ 1600
- EVGA SC 980 Ti
- Windows 7 on SSHD.

In GR Wildlands on mostly top settings @1080p I was getting mid 50s average with old rig, with new rig it's high 50s, like barely 5 fps better at best. It's the same in a couple other games I've tried, only marginal performance increase if at all. RAM currently running at 2933 (can't get it to post higher), is it worth trying some other RAM kits? I'm surprised as on paper it should be way better and on CPU-Z this Ryzen gave a single core score of 420 and multi-thread of 3469 compared to 351 and 1746 with the 2600k

 

[James Mason]

Is your ram actually running at 3200mhz though?

The problem may be GR wildlands, might want to look into how to optimize it.

 

[TheMarkofZollo]

Is your ram actually running at 3200mhz though?

The problem may be GR wildlands, might want to look into how to optimize it.

Thanks for reply.
It's running at 2933, if I choose 3200 it won't post and restarts about 5 times until it resets the RAM I think.
Optimal settings according to GF Experience is low to mid settings, which is nuts as on the 2600k rig I was using Experience's 'optimal' at pretty much max settings. The same settings on the Ryzen rig are as I said at slightly higher fps

 

[James Mason]

Is your ram actually running at 3200mhz though?

The problem may be GR wildlands, might want to look into how to optimize it.

Thanks for reply.
It's running at 2933, if I choose 3200 it won't post and restarts about 5 times until it resets the RAM I think.
Optimal settings according to GF Experience is low to mid settings, which is nuts as on the 2600k rig I was using Experience's 'optimal' at pretty much max settings. The same settings on the Ryzen rig are as I said at slightly higher fps

This is a clean install of windows 10 right?
And a clean download/install of GRWL?

Do some googling to see if GRWL has some optimizations you need to do to it to make it work better with ryzen.
It's also possible the GPU is the limiting factor, since it didn't change.

 

[TheMarkofZollo]

This is a clean install of windows 10 right?
And a clean download/install of GRWL?

Do some googling to see if GRWL has some optimizations you need to do to it to make it work better with ryzen.
It's also possible the GPU is the limiting factor, since it didn't change.

It was a clean install of 7 then upgraded quickly to 10 (seeing as I'd already paid for the licences but for that way only).
GRW and other games were already installed on 2nd HD, just moved across to new rig and reinstalled Steam, Uplay etc so that could be a factor I hadn't thought of.
I'll have a look on the Google, cheers

 

[Vic 40]

Is the gpu at 100% with both systems? Then mght well be that the gpu is the bottleneck. In alot of games does the i7 2600K still perform very well.

 

[James Mason]

This is a clean install of windows 10 right?
And a clean download/install of GRWL?

Do some googling to see if GRWL has some optimizations you need to do to it to make it work better with ryzen.
It's also possible the GPU is the limiting factor, since it didn't change.

It was a clean install of 7 then upgraded quickly to 10 (seeing as I'd already paid for the licences but for that way only).
GRW and other games were already installed on 2nd HD, just moved across to new rig and reinstalled Steam, Uplay etc so that could be a factor I hadn't thought of.
I'll have a look on the Google, cheers

Ahh, you likely still have some windows 7 garbage hanging around. After you "upgrade" to Windows 10, you have a W10 license now. So you definitely want to do a clean pure Windows 10 install.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

 

[tsnor]

I've recently built a new rig, had a few troubles getting bits and setting up (long story!) but I've found in game it's barely any better than previous rig. Any ideas/tips?

New rig: - 1600X stock with Arctic Freezer 13 LE
- MSI X370 gaming pro carbon
- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200 (v5.39 - yes found later it was Hynix based despite seeing this kit recommended on a couple sites)
- EVGA SC 980 Ti
- Windows 10 on SSD

Old rig: - i7-2600k stock clock and cooler
- Corsair Vengeance 16 GB @ 1600
- EVGA SC 980 Ti
- Windows 7 on SSHD.

In GR Wildlands on mostly top settings @1080p I was getting mid 50s average with old rig, with new rig it's high 50s, like barely 5 fps better at best. It's the same in a couple other games I've tried, only marginal performance increase if at all. RAM currently running at 2933 (can't get it to post higher), is it worth trying some other RAM kits? I'm surprised as on paper it should be way better and on CPU-Z this Ryzen gave a single core score of 420 and multi-thread of 3469 compared to 351 and 1746 with the 2600k

Same video solution. Video limited game. Would not expect a big change based on CPU.

Here is a RYZEN 1700 overclocked to 3.8ghz video showing gpu @100%, cpu loafing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5av-yhl2mw

 

[TheMarkofZollo]

Is the gpu at 100% with both systems? Then mght well be that the gpu is the bottleneck. In alot of games does the i7 2600K still perform very well.

It was on the old system in game I think, in the new rig it's about 90-95%.
That's what my mate reckoned re bottleneck, pretty disappointed if that's the case

 

[TheMarkofZollo]

Ahh, you likely still have some windows 7 garbage hanging around. After you "upgrade" to Windows 10, you have a W10 license now. So you definitely want to do a clean pure Windows 10 install.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

I did the free upgrade from 7 so I don't have a licence key written down, could I still create the installation media and do a clean install with that?
I get that it might clean up Windows a bit on my primary drive but (forgive my lack of knowledge) will it really improve performance of a game loaded on a secondary drive? Or should I clean install those games too to be sure?

 

[James Mason]

Ahh, you likely still have some windows 7 garbage hanging around. After you "upgrade" to Windows 10, you have a W10 license now. So you definitely want to do a clean pure Windows 10 install.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

I did the free upgrade from 7 so I don't have a licence key written down, could I still create the installation media and do a clean install with that?
I get that it might clean up Windows a bit on my primary drive but (forgive my lack of knowledge) will it really improve performance of a game loaded on a secondary drive? Or should I clean install those games too to be sure?

They Windows 10 key is "associated" with the Motherboard you upgraded it on, so..... as long as you... don't change the motherboard it will know the key to use automatically... But you changed CPUs and thus motherboards. So when did you upgrade to W10?

You'll definitely want/need to reinstall ALL your programs, because they will break when you do a clean reinstall of windows. You can keep things like saved games and media on the 2nd drive, but you'll definitely want to re-run the reinstall of your games/programs.

 

[tsnor]

Cleaning up, fresh load is likely a good thing.... but will likely not change your frame rate. You are VIDEO limited.

Here is a RYZEN 1700 overclocked to 3.8ghz video showing gpu @100%, cpu loafing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5av-yhl2mw

 

[TheMarkofZollo]

They Windows 10 key is "associated" with the Motherboard you upgraded it on, so..... as long as you... don't change the motherboard it will know the key to use automatically... But you changed CPUs and thus motherboards. So when did you upgrade to W10?

You'll definitely want/need to reinstall ALL your programs, because they will break when you do a clean reinstall of windows. You can keep things like saved games and media on the 2nd drive, but you'll definitely want to re-run the reinstall of your games/programs.

So I had Windows 7 running on my old rig on a hybrid drive and games on a second drive. In the new rig I did a clean install of 7 first on a new SSD, then upgraded to 10 as I had an existing 7 licence + DVD and a free upgrade to 10 available. The second drive with my games already installed was plugged into the new rig, so all I did was 'told' Steam etc where the game directories were. Hope that clarifies it

 

[James Mason]

They Windows 10 key is "associated" with the Motherboard you upgraded it on, so..... as long as you... don't change the motherboard it will know the key to use automatically... But you changed CPUs and thus motherboards. So when did you upgrade to W10?

You'll definitely want/need to reinstall ALL your programs, because they will break when you do a clean reinstall of windows. You can keep things like saved games and media on the 2nd drive, but you'll definitely want to re-run the reinstall of your games/programs.

So I had Windows 7 running on my old rig on a hybrid drive and games on a second drive. In the new rig I did a clean install of 7 first on a new SSD, then upgraded to 10 as I had an existing 7 licence + DVD and a free upgrade to 10 available. The second drive with my games already installed was plugged into the new rig, so all I did was 'told' Steam etc where the game directories were. Hope that clarifies it

Ah hmm, yeah then then windows 10 key should associated with your new motherboard. So make a Windows 10 USB/DVD install with the above mentioned Windows Media Creation Tool, and do a clean reinstall of Windows 10 to the SSD.

It may still be in your best interests to reinstall all your games from scratch again, or at least the ones you play. Many steam games actually have "cloud save" support, so your saves in theory should be safe, but you can easily check which ones do and don't by just changing your steam game library to the List view (upper right, the 3 little icons).

But if you haven't touched a game in 6-months to a year, do you really need to keep it installed anyways?