Ryzen 1700 or 1700x, priced equally?!

[Jamalgq]

Hi everyone,

I could use s by of advice. I was about to order my ryzen setup. The X370 Crosshair with the 1700. But I just seen they lowered the price and the 1700x is also priced the same! I planned on using he stock 1700 cooler while I pieced my custom loop together but I’m tempted to order the 1700x. I think I could oc it to 4.0 a bit easier.

My thought was I could swipe out my Noctua d14 to use for now and put the stock cooler on the other system and when I’m ready for my custom loop just swap the Noctua back over ..
what would you do? Thanks

 

[TechyInAZ]

Get the 1700. AMD says the x chips are binned, but i don't think they are. My 1700X is a terrible one and maxes out at 3.9ghz, where as a lot of 1700s max out at 4ghz I've seen. But again, silicone lottery, it could be the other way around for you LOL.

 

[photonboy]

I'd also just get the R7-1700 for the cooler as I doubt there'd be much if any difference after overclocking.

*About the Noctua cooler though, you do realize you need the adapter for the AM4 socket?

http://noctua.at/en/nm-am4-mounting-kit.html

You also have a 3-pin (voltage) fan though I think most motherboards support 3-pin fan control (my older Z77 board did not, but I think the switch from 3-pin to 4-pin caused so much CONFUSION that they simply created 4-pin fan solutions that support both)

 

[photonboy]

... other system?

If it's not AM4 then I don't think the Ryzen cooler will fit.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought AM4 coolers from AMD (not other ones with multiple installation options) only fit the AM4 socket.

OTHER:
Not to cause confusion further, but you sound like you may be spending a lot of money since you are talking about a "custom loop".

I would personally recommend the i7-8700K CPU instead of anything from Ryzen in that case. Since you'd obviously overclock anyway, the i7-8700K can hit about 5GHz easily supposedly.

That's 25% higher frequency per core (assuming you manage 4GHz on Ryzen), and for most applications the IPC (instructions per cycle) is higher for Intel. What you end up to is in some cases up to 50% higher performance with the i7-8700K, and at best maybe the same or similar performance with near full thread utilization on both CPU's.

8-core Ryzen CPU's have more cores (33%) than the i7-8700K but lower performance per core so again it's not a good choice assuming similar price.

Feel free to look up the BENCHMARKS and REVIEWS.

(pricing and availability may be a bit screwed up right now).

Furthermore, modern Intel motherboards support a good M.2 SSD PCIe implementation with some of them getting 3200MBps sustained reads.

 

[photonboy]

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i7_8700k_processor_review,18.html

That is intentionally CHERRY PICKED to show the i7-8700K beats Ryzen (even at stock) for gaming in some situations. It's even 10% faster at 2560x1440 and there are other games at 1080p (which many still do in twitch shooters) where it's well over 30% faster.

Here's a better review that has OVERCLOCK results:
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_coffee_lake_i7_8700k_review/8

Now the R7-1700 can win compared to a 5GHz i7-8700K but even then it's a pretty small win, so it's hard to recommend when very few applications or games run better on the R7-1700.

*If you weren't putting in a LIQUID COOLER this would be a slightly different conversation.

 

[jossrik]

I have the 1700X on a custom loop (frankensteined from my old rig, but with an EK AM4 Supremacy Evo), and even though my temps are fantastix, it takes a BIG push in voltage to get 4Ghz stable. I'd get the 1700 with the cooler and see what you can do. Temps on the Ryzens aren't always the limiting factors on a day to day overclock. If you can hit 4 stable, that's awesome, but everyone and their mom seems content at 3.9 (where I leave mine for day to day), give or take. You do see people pushing higher, but they're also either silicon lottery winners or eating the voltages with well to do cooling. Make sure your RAM is on the QVL at a speed you like, if not, get new RAM, it can be really finnicky right now. Not sure about the binning. Seems real hit or miss on all the AMD stuff. Oh ya, and order from a respected retailer, there's a bug in early production Ryzen(I don't recall which model, so take with a grain of salt)that affects linux distros and can cause instability in windows that you'll never iron out. AMD will give you a new processor if you have the bug though... Set fault bug I think it was called. Anyhow, research for you!

 

[Jamalgq]

Thanks everyone, I ended up with the 1700x as it was actually the SAME price for the day I ordered! I have an h110i new in the box so I chose the 1700x for that fact. I also went with team group pro ram running at 3466 at cl14on the asus crosshair!

I alos am giving this system to my wife and selling her 4790k setup and am building an 8700k this week!?!? Its craziness here this week but oh so much fun

1700x holding strong at 1.35v and 3.95ghz hit a 1761 cinemench score. I will take it

 

[TechyInAZ]

You got a GOOD 1700x, I have to run 1.42+ to even get 3.9ghz stable.

 

[Jamalgq]

Oh wow that is good to hear about my chip as to get to 4.0 I had to go to 1.4v so I was kind of iffy.

Sorry your chip wasnt't what you were hoping for but fingers crossed for Ryzen 2! Maybe agesa 1007 will help a few things out too since it is a supposed major overhaul

 

[TechyInAZ]

Haha maybe. Either way I'm content, i can get 3.85ghz at 1.36ish volts so i'm happy with that.

 

[Jamalgq]

I would be happy with that as well, thats a solid performance setting and within a good boundary of voltage vs performance

 

[TechyInAZ]

Definitely ^^^^