Ryzen 1700 vs i7 8700k vs used i5 4690k

[johnjuliochua]

Hi guys! I'm planning on upgrading my cpu/mobo. I've got an i5-4460 as of the moment - getting the i5 4690k would be the cheapest upgrade since i get to keep the ram with ram prices overpriced as hell right now. These are the configs I'm planning on getting(from php converted to usd):

Ryzen 1700 - $317.108
Msi sli plus x370 - 159.531
2x8 G.Skill Trident Z rgb 3200mhz -177.909

total: $654.548
or

i7 8700k - 409.581
Msi z370 sli plus - 191.203
2x8 G.Skill Trident Z rgb 3200mhz -177.909

total: $778.693

or

i5 4690k + z97 mobo combo - $234.605

total:$234.605

The i5 4690k looks like a deal so I'm considering it. I won't have to change the ram too! I'm looking for futureproofing. I game a lot of cs:go. I'm gonna get into video editing once i get an upgrade. Would love your thoughts, guys!

 

[vapour]

I5-4690k is the only good choice What cooler and GPU do you have?

 

[constantine_99]

if gaming is your main purpose [more gaming, less editing], getting the 8600k is pretty good deal (for cutting some cost too)

R5 1600 can also be an alternative for the best bang in the buck for both gaming & editing [more of a balanced side]

the i5 4690k is still good enough for gaming nowdays, but for editing, it might gonna take longer than the newer gens like coffelake & Ryzen (given to it's lower IPC [a bit lower] and lower core/thread count], also, i don't think upgrading an i5 to another i5 [even an unlocked one] is worth it... however, if u can find an i7 4790k at around that cost (200-300$ish) i would suggest u get that instead, it'll last a few more extra years than the i5

[strike]remember though, that getting an K series CPU from intel won't get u any stock cooler, whilst the Ryzen had a pretty decent stock cooler that can be used for normal / light OCed usage, the intel will perform better in most case, but u'll have to spend more on buying a decent cooler too [which means, extra cost][/strike] won't matter if u already had a decent aftermarket cooler

CSGO: all those CPU above will bode well with it, given that u pair your CPU with enough GPU [depends on your setting and stuff]
the editing though would love more cores/threads

 

[ARICH5]

performance wise youd be happy to spend the money on the coffeelake rig now. the i7-8700k would demolish anything in that list.

 

[johnjuliochua]

I5-4690k is the only good choice What cooler and GPU do you have?

I've got a DeepCool Captain 240ex (got it cuz I was planning on getting a k processor) and a Gtx 960. I'm planning on getting a 1070/1080 or the next series graphics cards Nvidia will release sometime next year. I don't see a huge performance gain with the 4690k, though. This upgrade would last me about 6 years too.

 

[vapour]

Check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90GmVP4gOs

Spend ~400 on 1070 or ~250 on 1060 6gb, you are golden OC I5-4690k with that MB, who tells you I7-7600k is much better?

 

[johnjuliochua]

Check this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90GmVP4gOs

Spend ~400 on 1070 or ~250 on 1060 6gb, you are golden OC I5-4690k with that MB, who tells you I7-7600k is much better?

the i5 is sadly in another city I live in the Philippines and the deal is in Manila. I won't be going to Manila until next year around April.

 

[vapour]

Okay... Can you find any local good 4690k deal? If only used for gaming, you don't really need Ryzen 1700. What games do you want to play? What resolution, setting and FPS? What kind of monitor do you have?

 

[constantine_99]

Okay... Can you find any local good 4690k deal? If only used for gaming, you don't really need Ryzen 1700. What games do you want to play? What resolution, setting and FPS? What kind of monitor do you have?

i think u can predicted all that already mate

he specify a game he played a lot, which is CSGO, so he probably likes fps
judging from his GPU
it should be around this:
768@high-max
900@high
1080@med-high

the coffelake/ryzen does makes a difference, especially if he wanted to get into editing, since those extra core would help, on both productivity performance and extra lifespan, newer RAM would also means increased performance [more of a productivity gains here] but gaming-wise, yes, that i5 4690k is still very good at it, but i won't agree on upgrading from the same i5 to an unlocked i5 [on the same gen too] anytime, i would personally rather step up with the GPU first / save up for a whole generation leap later on

after all, if we're talking about CSGO and GTX 1060 here, the [strike]i5 4690[/strike] i5 4460 is still good enough for them, even the 1070 shouldn't be bottlenecked too much (if not at all)

@OP
i would suggest u wait out till next year, there's both Cannonlake and Ryzen 2.0 coming up next year, and with your i5, u'll be fine till then

PS:
@Vapour
"who tells you I7-7600k is much better?"
there's no i7 7600k, that's a nice mistype u got there XD

 

[johnjuliochua]

Okay... Can you find any local good 4690k deal? If only used for gaming, you don't really need Ryzen 1700. What games do you want to play? What resolution, setting and FPS? What kind of monitor do you have?

If the dude ships the i5 4690k+z97 nationwide, I'm getting it. otherwise I'll get the 8600k or 1600 like constantine_99 said. The 8700k looks mighty fine and would surely last me till 2023 though.

 

[johnjuliochua]

Okay... Can you find any local good 4690k deal? If only used for gaming, you don't really need Ryzen 1700. What games do you want to play? What resolution, setting and FPS? What kind of monitor do you have?

i think u can predicted all that already mate

he specify a game he played a lot, which is CSGO, so he probably likes fps
judging from his GPU
it should be around this:
768@high-max
900@high
1080@med-high

the coffelake/ryzen does makes a difference, especially if he wanted to get into editing, since those extra core would help, on both productivity performance and extra lifespan, newer RAM would also means increased performance [more of a productivity gains here] but gaming-wise, yes, that i5 4690k is still very good at it, but i won't agree on upgrading from the same i5 to an unlocked i5 [on the same gen too] anytime, i would personally rather step up with the GPU first / save up for a whole generation leap later on

after all, if we're talking about CSGO and GTX 1060 here, the i5 4690 is still good enough for them, even the 1070 shouldn't be bottlenecked too much (if not at all)

@OP
i would suggest u wait out till next year, there's both Cannonlake and Ryzen 2.0 coming up next year, and with your i5, u'll be fine till then

PS:
@Vapour
"who tells you I7-7600k is much better?"
there's no i7 7600k, that's a nice mistype u got there XD

how long do u think the 4690k will last me though? fps would almost be the same with 4460 probably... and editing not too different. I would be 3 gens behind with it. I do think waiting would be the best option but if I wait better tech to come out, I'll always be behind anyway and I'll never get to buy anything since I'll always be waiting. I'll be leaving to study in another city in 2019, too.

 

[Karadjgne]

According to scuttlebutt, the next version of CS will be 8 threads optimized, a departure from the measly 2x it uses now. You are also basing the entire concept of the i5-4690k on a game Op plays now. He intends to keep the pc for @6 years. Assume he won't be playing cs:go for that entire time, but probably move on with the next CS release. And you think that 4 thread i5 will be good then? The best budget cpu is the R5 1600, hands down, across the board it's the only 'future proofed' budget cpu worth mentioning. Has approximately the same IPC as the 4790k, same 6 cores as the CoffeeLake i5's and the benefit of AMD's HT, putting it closer to the 7700k in gaming ability and better than the 7700k by almost twice as much in some production apps. If Op smoked, he'd go through 2x packs a day waiting on a 1080p render on that 4690k. 4 threads just doesn't cut it for anything other than current cs:go. So he'd be good today with one, tomorrow he's screwed.
The 4690k won't be viable at all in a few years, never mind 6. The i5-8400 should still be viable. Either the Ryzen 1600 or 1700 will still be good in 6 years, as will the i7-8700k.

I run 2x pc's, an i5-3570k and an i7-3770K. Guess which cpu is already showing its limitations, even in games as simple as skyrim. I'm pushing 6 thread usage in skyrim, the i5 just doesn't cut it.

 

[vapour]

My point is if he has limited budget, i5-4690k is good enough upgrade for his old i5. If he has a little bit more, get Ryzen 1600, and a little bit more, I5-8400. If not worrying about money, I7-8700k for sure

 

[constantine_99]

Okay... Can you find any local good 4690k deal? If only used for gaming, you don't really need Ryzen 1700. What games do you want to play? What resolution, setting and FPS? What kind of monitor do you have?

i think u can predicted all that already mate

he specify a game he played a lot, which is CSGO, so he probably likes fps
judging from his GPU
it should be around this:
768@high-max
900@high
1080@med-high

the coffelake/ryzen does makes a difference, especially if he wanted to get into editing, since those extra core would help, on both productivity performance and extra lifespan, newer RAM would also means increased performance [more of a productivity gains here] but gaming-wise, yes, that i5 4690k is still very good at it, but i won't agree on upgrading from the same i5 to an unlocked i5 [on the same gen too] anytime, i would personally rather step up with the GPU first / save up for a whole generation leap later on

after all, if we're talking about CSGO and GTX 1060 here, the i5 4690 is still good enough for them, even the 1070 shouldn't be bottlenecked too much (if not at all)

@OP
i would suggest u wait out till next year, there's both Cannonlake and Ryzen 2.0 coming up next year, and with your i5, u'll be fine till then

PS:
@Vapour
"who tells you I7-7600k is much better?"
there's no i7 7600k, that's a nice mistype u got there XD

how long do u think the 4690k will last me though? fps would almost be the same with 4460 probably... and editing not too different. I would be 3 gens behind with it. I do think waiting would be the best option but if I wait better tech to come out, I'll always be behind anyway and I'll never get to buy anything since I'll always be waiting. I'll be leaving to study in another city in 2019, too.

well then ur i5 will be good till 2019 just fine imo, above that, might not be that well
i just said that u will be much better with the i5 8600k / r5 1600 since the k upgrade isn't worth it imo
u said earlier that u might have to bought it urself in manila later on april, well by that time Ryzen 2.0 might be released already which means u should have broader choice

bang in the buck would be the R5
if u prioritize the gaming performance first, then it's the i5 8600k

 

[vapour]

@OP, Gen diff is not everything, Intel each gen is only <10% better than previous before coffee lake. 4690k OC to 4.6 GHz will get you much better performance than 4460. Didn't know where you get the idea no much fps diff. With your GTX 960, all those CPU upgrades are useless, you will get same FPS, maybe slightly higher with even coffee lake I7 ! My video already shows I5-4690k is close to i7-6700k, 2 gens, i5-i7 diff, why? You can not simply look at CPU Gen, I5 or I7 to decide which is better! How much are you willing to pay for the upgrade? Anyway, you'd better upgrade your GPU before CPU to see any good gaming performance upgrade.

 

[johnjuliochua]

Okay... Can you find any local good 4690k deal? If only used for gaming, you don't really need Ryzen 1700. What games do you want to play? What resolution, setting and FPS? What kind of monitor do you have?

i think u can predicted all that already mate

he specify a game he played a lot, which is CSGO, so he probably likes fps
judging from his GPU
it should be around this:
768@high-max
900@high
1080@med-high

the coffelake/ryzen does makes a difference, especially if he wanted to get into editing, since those extra core would help, on both productivity performance and extra lifespan, newer RAM would also means increased performance [more of a productivity gains here] but gaming-wise, yes, that i5 4690k is still very good at it, but i won't agree on upgrading from the same i5 to an unlocked i5 [on the same gen too] anytime, i would personally rather step up with the GPU first / save up for a whole generation leap later on

after all, if we're talking about CSGO and GTX 1060 here, the i5 4690 is still good enough for them, even the 1070 shouldn't be bottlenecked too much (if not at all)

@OP
i would suggest u wait out till next year, there's both Cannonlake and Ryzen 2.0 coming up next year, and with your i5, u'll be fine till then

PS:
@Vapour
"who tells you I7-7600k is much better?"
there's no i7 7600k, that's a nice mistype u got there XD

Okay... Can you find any local good 4690k deal? If only used for gaming, you don't really need Ryzen 1700. What games do you want to play? What resolution, setting and FPS? What kind of monitor do you have?

i think u can predicted all that already mate

he specify a game he played a lot, which is CSGO, so he probably likes fps
judging from his GPU
it should be around this:
768@high-max
900@high
1080@med-high

the coffelake/ryzen does makes a difference, especially if he wanted to get into editing, since those extra core would help, on both productivity performance and extra lifespan, newer RAM would also means increased performance [more of a productivity gains here] but gaming-wise, yes, that i5 4690k is still very good at it, but i won't agree on upgrading from the same i5 to an unlocked i5 [on the same gen too] anytime, i would personally rather step up with the GPU first / save up for a whole generation leap later on

after all, if we're talking about CSGO and GTX 1060 here, the i5 4690 is still good enough for them, even the 1070 shouldn't be bottlenecked too much (if not at all)

@OP
i would suggest u wait out till next year, there's both Cannonlake and Ryzen 2.0 coming up next year, and with your i5, u'll be fine till then

PS:
@Vapour
"who tells you I7-7600k is much better?"
there's no i7 7600k, that's a nice mistype u got there XD

how long do u think the 4690k will last me though? fps would almost be the same with 4460 probably... and editing not too different. I would be 3 gens behind with it. I do think waiting would be the best option but if I wait better tech to come out, I'll always be behind anyway and I'll never get to buy anything since I'll always be waiting. I'll be leaving to study in another city in 2019, too.

well then ur i5 will be good till 2019 just fine imo, above that, might not be that well
i just said that u will be much better with the i5 8600k / r5 1600 since the k upgrade isn't worth it imo
u said earlier that u might have to bought it urself in manila later on april, well by that time Ryzen 2.0 might be released already which means u should have broader choice

bang in the buck would be the R5
if u prioritize the gaming performance first, then it's the i5 8600k

I'm gonna wait for at least Ryzen 2 and if it disappoints, I'm waiting for Cannon Lake. Thanks a whole bunch guys!!!

 

[george.stack93]

I have been using the i5 4690k + z97 mobo for a few years now, it's an amazing combo.
Using a $40 aftermarket cooler, my system is cool and stable with a 4.6Ghz overclock.
Paired with GTX970, I get 350-400fps in CSGO, and 90-120fps in Player Unknowns Battlegrounds (Definitely GPU limited at this fps).
I don't do any video editing, but I do some solidworks 3D modelling and the 4690k crushes it with ease.

If you like futureproofing, this combo will buy you several more years of high-quality performance, allowing you to buy into a new CPU market whenever you like (if a good deal shows up, or an amazing new gen of CPU's release.