Ryzen 3 1200 vs 2200G vs A8-7600 for Programming

[dstubbornkanav]

I'm building a budget computer and saw lots of configurations online. Some were made using gpu processors like A8-7600, and other were using Ryzen 3 1200 + GT 1030 2GB.

Some also recommended Intel g4560

I want to build a budget computer for programming(php/python/Dot Net etc, and sometime PhotoShop) and not exactly sure which one to choose. Budget is around $400-$500

Could you guys please help me?

Edit:

This thread is getting a lot of wonderful responses, so i'll go in more detail about the work that's planned to be done on this system.

I've started an IT company and currently using HP 240 G6 (i3 6th gen, 4gb RAM) for my "web developers" that do programming on Php/Javascript/Python/Dot Net/MySQL/MogoDB/PosGres etc and occasionally GIMP/Pixlr/PhotoPea. System is LAMP based and I noticed that their system for slow so thought of getting a better build for them.

I'm not exactly sure if i should use Graphics Card, but if can be included within a budget of $400-$500, and becomes a good build, i will go with it. This system will used by "web developers"

If it helps, i'll need "another similar configuration" for my "web designers" who'll use religiously use Photoshop/Corel Draw/Illustrator etc. For them i can increase the budget to $700-$800

 

[Darkbreeze]

Most of the A series are old, and slow. Even the few newer AM4 A series CPUs are low end. You don't want those. Practically any Ryzen 3, 5 or 7, or any Kaby lake, Coffee lake or Coffee lake refresh i3, i5 or i7 will be perfectly fine for what you want to do.

 

[dstubbornkanav]

OK thanks. Would you recommend Ryzen 3 1200 or Ryzen 3 2200G?

 

[InvalidError]

You'd need a GPU for the Ryzen 1200. If you don't want to have to buy one, then the 2200G is your cheapest viable option on AMD's side.

 

[kraelic]

2200G 3.5 GHz 3.7 Boost 4 core, with decent built in graphics (almost 1030 GT level) is $100, 1200 3.1 GHz 3.4 Boost 4 core no built in graphics $120 and 1030GT (only consider a GDDR5 version) is $80ish. You want to get some dual channel ddr4 of 3000 or 3200 to feed the 2200G's graphics. B350 or B450 motherboard if you want to overclock the cpu 3.8+ and gpu 1500MHz+ for stock 2400G performance (need a better cooler for 3.9 and 1600)

2200G gets my vote

 

[InvalidError]

You want to get some dual channel ddr4 of 3000 or 3200 to feed the 2200G's graphics.

Only if he wants to game on it. If he's only going to use it to learn programming and occasional photoshopping as described in his OP, he's not going to need the IGP for much beyond displaying the desktop and he won't need anywhere near enough performance to be remotely bothered with overclocking or anything else of the sort. I'd still favor dual-channel over single so the CPU can operate the way it has been designed to but it shouldn't matter much in this case.

 

[dstubbornkanav]

In terms of performance i'm using an i3 laptop(https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B07F9F6NPK) and it's slow for my work. So want to upgrade.

 

[Darkbreeze]

IDK, IE, seems like fast RAM tends to help make Photoshop snappier in most platforms I've used. Of course, that's going to be appreciated on the CPU side of things, not really on the graphics side though.

Since Ryzen tends to respond significantly better than most other platforms with 3000mhz+ memory, I'd think it would be even more so in Photoshop and other similar applications, even productivity apps, than with past platforms.

No?

@dstubbornkanav, ARE you planning to use a graphics card with this build, or no?

 

[InvalidError]

Since Ryzen tends to respond significantly better than most other platforms with 3000mhz+ memory, I'd think it would be even more so in Photoshop and other similar applications, even productivity apps, than with past platforms.

If your main concern is running the RAM at 3000+MT/s for lower fabric latency, you don't need dual-channel for that and Ryzen 2xxxG only has one CCX, so that's even less of an issue.

In any case, OP simply wants a PC that performs better than his low-end i3 laptop. Even a 2200G with 8GB of single-channel 2666MT/s RAM should be able to achieve that.

 

[dstubbornkanav]

@dstubbornkanav, Are you planning to use a graphics card with this build, or no?

This thread is getting a lot of wonderful responses, so i'll go in more detail about the work that's planned to be done on this system.

I've started an IT company and currently using HP 240 G6 (i3 6th gen, 4gb RAM) for my "web developers" that do programming on Php/Javascript/Python/Dot Net/MySQL/MogoDB/PosGres etc and occasionally GIMP/Pixlr/PhotoPea. System is LAMP based and I noticed that their system for slow so thought of getting a better build for them.

I'm not exactly sure if i should use Graphics Card, but if can be included within a budget of $400-$500, and becomes a good build, i will go with it. This system will used by "web developers"

If it helps, i'll need "another similar configuration" for my "web designers" who'll use religiously use Photoshop/Corel Draw/Illustrator etc. For them i can increase the budget to $700-$800

 

[camieabz]

For Web Devs - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fdn2TB

For Web Designers - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c9TmWD

Just examples, but the important things to note:

CPU: The latter system will want a beefier CPU, ideally with more cores/threads. The 2600 is a really good bang for buck option. The former system doesn't really need much CPU, but the low cost of a CPU with onboard (and halfway decent) gfx helps with the budget a lot.

RAM: Similar story with the RAM. The designer system will benefit from more RAM. There's little need for the faster RAM on the lower spec system.

Storage: Just added for examples. The 2.5" SSD will give excellent boot times, and you'll spend a lot less time waiting for the system to get on with things 3-5 years later. Adding more secondary storage is your choice. I opted for an M.2 drive for the more demanding system. Call it a hunch. You want a more responsive system for the design side of things, and whether just doing the day to day stuff, or whether the project is very heavy, and eating into your RAM, an M.2 drive will make a lot of difference reading, but especially writing to drive.

Graphics: As discussed above, the 2200G's onboard gfx is sufficient for your workload. It's arguable that the same could be said for the design system, but there's a need for a beefier CPU, and they don't have onboard gfx. You could easily get by with a 2GB gfx card (such as the GTX 1050, or even the GT 1030), but I opted for a 4GB card, and added the GTX 1050ti. It's added speed and VRAM reduce likelihood of potential gfx load on the system CPU / RAM.

You'll still need cases, PSUs, monitors, mice, keyboards and operating systems. I recommend Bronze 80+ PSUs as a minimum spec (e.g. Corsair CX450), but both systems will have relatively low demands, power-wise (150w and 250w respectively).

Now a few caveats:

Those systems could easily get by on half the CPU, RAM, and storage speeds respectively. However, I prefer to spend a little so that the system in 3-5 years time isn't creaking from the demands put on it by newer software. Also, time spent waiting for the system is time wasted etc.

The storage chosen might be too much for your needs. There are 250GB (Crucial MX) and 240GB (Adata SX8200) drives if you prefer. However, if you need more storage, I wouldn't opt for more than I suggested for system drives. The bang for buck ratio drops steeply on 1TB and greater SSDs at present, and a traditional HDD as a large storage option is still preferred.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I'd be looking at probably identical systems for both developers and designers. BOTH will need to be able to reproduce, use and apply the the same applications and processes that the other will use, in order to develop and design, and test, each others work.

If the designers will ONLY be doing graphic based work, that changes to some degree, but these days mostly both do both to some degree.

A lot of them are single position for some companies, doing both development and design. These would be smaller operations obviously, without fully dedicated departments. Seems likely that at some point both will be tending to have a need to work together on some projects, so it would be prudent to have the same capabilities on both systems.