[SOLVED] Ryzen 3800x: x470 or x570

[swagsticious]

So I'm planning on building a pc around the new ryzen 3800x. Because I'm a bit limited on a budget, I'd like to know if I really need the x570 board?
What are the major benefits you get by choosing a x570 (as far as I understand it's higher supply and higher bandwidth).
Amd surprised me a bit with the 'higher' cost of those new cpu's and motherboards, and Id really like to pop in a Rtx 2070 super.
My budget is around 1300/1400€ and so far I've got it planned like this:
Cpu: 400€
Gpu: 500€
Mobo: 200€?
Ram: 16GB 3600Hz 110€
Power supply: 600w gold certified (prob be silent) 80€
Ssd: 500GB (Samsung? Are any other brands trustworthy?) 80€
Case: Phanteks 300 60€
As you can see, I'm already breaking the bank and would like to save somewhere 😅
Would really apreciate any suggestions.

 

[CountMike]

Main difference between x470 and x570 is chipset and PCIe v4.0. only 500 series will have it. The rest may not be important but still have to watch for VRM to be able to keep up with 12 and 16 core Ryzens. Same goes for overclocking purposes but it's been like that forever.
With those prices, you will be looking at R5 3600(x) and a good b450 or x470 motherboard as it will be some time before Nvidia gets PCIe V4 support and even then it may not be important. Bandwidth for even 3v is rarely saturated.

 

[swagsticious]

Main difference between x470 and x570 is chipset and PCIe v4.0. only 500 series will have it. The rest may not be important but still have to watch for VRM to be able to keep up with 12 and 16 core Ryzens. Same goes for overclocking purposes but it's been like that forever.
With those prices, you will be looking at R5 3600(x) and a good b450 or x470 motherboard as it will be some time before Nvidia gets PCIe V4 support and even then it may not be important. Bandwidth for even 3v is rarely saturated.

Just a quick question. Would it make more sense to go for a x470 2700x combo? I'm not sure where to value it at anymore.. 😅

 

[CountMike]

Just a quick question. Would it make more sense to go for a x470 2700x combo? I'm not sure where to value it at anymore.. 😅

This setup of mine is working just fine so I'm not even thinking of exchanging for 3700x, going for 3800x minimum. Difference in performance doesn't equal difference in money. Problem is I haven't seen 3800x anywhere yet. Didn't have time to check all post after NDA was taken off.
So no, I don't think you'd make a mistake with 2700x on good x470 MB if it would save you money for one grade higher GPU for instance.

 

[ocer9999]

I would go all AMD and have some spare money for either more storage or better cooling for overclocking.
PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kK3Pjy

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor (€429.00)
Motherboard: ASRock - X570 Extreme4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (€199.00)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€79.89 @ Alternate)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€128.34 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Phanteks - P300 ATX Mid Tower Case (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€74.92 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Custom: AMD 5700 XT (€429.00)
Total: €1400.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[drea.drechsler]

Just a quick question. Would it make more sense to go for a x470 2700x combo? I'm not sure where to value it at anymore.. 😅

What are you using it for? For content creation and productivity it looks like 2700x won't touch 3700x and you'd have to go to super-expensive HEDT system to come close to it in Intel.

 

[swagsticious]

What are you using it for? For content creation and productivity it looks like 2700x won't touch 3700x and you'd have to go to super-expensive HEDT system to come close to it in Intel.

Mostly gaming and some photoshop/illustrator/video editing. I want a PC that will be in the 'higher' ends for some years to come (I hope). I'll be going for the 3700x most likely but I'm not yet sure if I should go for a cheaper x570 or the Taichi x470 (I want ot pair the cpu with 3600Mhz RAM but I've never done memory overclocking which is, as far as I understand, a must on an x470 board.

 

[drea.drechsler]

Mostly gaming and some photoshop/illustrator/video editing. I want a PC that will be in the 'higher' ends for some years to come (I hope). I'll be going for the 3700x most likely but I'm not yet sure if I should go for a cheaper x570 or the Taichi x470 (I want ot pair the cpu with 3600Mhz RAM but I've never done memory overclocking which is, as far as I understand, a must on an x470 board.

Based on the testing and reviews that have come out with it's launch, I think a 3900X on a cheap(er) x570 would be higher end, and with good economy, for some time to come. At least until 3950X comes out. X570...or PCIe gen 4 more specifically...still has to prove itself but ultra-fast storage and whatever else comes with it will be at the top-end of performance moving forward.

But that's only for now, not 'some years in the future'. The one thing anybody should be able to predict is Intel, with the cash and tech staff they have, will not sit on this kind of status quo. They'll move fast now and I'm pretty sure AMD, with Zen4 and Zen5 on their roadmaps, knows this too even if we know so very little about it.

But in the aftermath of Moore's Law, meaning there's very little to be gained simply by advancing the process node alone, there's going to be a lot of change happening. What happens next will be interesting to see.

From all accounts so far, overclocking ram with Zen2 is as easy as enabling XMP. So just be sure to get quality 3600 memory then go for it.