Ryzen 5 2600x stresstest hits over 95c in couple of minutes, Aida64 shows 62c. Cpu acting a bit weird overall

[henri.karppinen95]

I build my new pc couple of weeks ago and i'v been trying to figure out these temperature problems ever since. Temps are jumping all the time, even on idle it might go from 32c to 45c in couple of seconds. When i try to stress test with aida64, temperature jumps to 80c literally in seconds and it keeps going up. Max that hwinfo and ryzenmaster showed was 98c, after that i stopped the test for obvious reasons. I ran it only like 3 minutes overall. Both Hwinfo and ryzen master shows same temps, but aida says temperature was only 62c. When i open aida, it also says it can't detect my motherboard

https://imgur.com/a/P15oMdE
I stopped the test on one point and continued it to take screenshot, so don't wonder that cpu usage.

I also feel like the whole cpu is acting little weird if i pay attention to individual cores and their usages. I'll post some pictures if someone could see anything unusual

https://imgur.com/j68Tlg0
https://imgur.com/dqYORRf
https://imgur.com/pT8znnn


When i was installing my cpu cooler for the first time, i messed up a bit. I placed the cooler on the cpu and lifted it up again, because the backplate screw holders seemed to be too far away to go in. I checked the backplate and it was like it should be. I didn't have extra thermal paste so i just installed the cooler even tho thermal paste wasn't like it was supposed to be. Because of that, little bit of thermal paste was leaking from the two opposite sides of the cpu. I just wanted to test this build and reinstall paste after that, but after changing paste temperatures were acting same.

I have already checked thermal paste and mounting two times and it all looks like it should be. Only thing i'm worried about is that it seems like the cooler is attached really tight on the cpu and it kind of pops up when i unscrew it. I dont have to use any pressure to lift the cooler up from the cpu. I have also reinstalled mobo drivers, chipset drivers and windows. Any help would me much appreciated and im sorry for my bad english.

Pc specs
-msi b450 gaming plus
-ryzen 5 2600x with wraith cooler
-nvidia gtx 1070ti
-gskill 16gb (2x8gb) ddr4 3200mhz
-fractal desing meshify C

 

[coozie7]

You say 'unscrew ' the cooler, the stock Wraith should latch down using the spring clip onto the plastic retention blocks either side of the CPU socket, how, exactly have you attached the cooler? Pics please?

 

[henri.karppinen95]

You say 'unscrew ' the cooler, the stock Wraith should latch down using the spring clip onto the plastic retention blocks either side of the CPU socket, how, exactly have you attached the cooler? Pics please?

No. You need to remove those plastic pieces and screw it directly to the back plate, just like in this video. My cooler is much more stiff and i need to use more pressure to get the screws going, but i read that it's pretty normal with wraith.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VtH0EJRyAc

 

[coozie7]

Blush! Sorry, mate I was thinking of the wrong Wraith.

That said, I recall the Wraith on my 1700X was a little tight but not excessively so, ' moderate ' pressure was enough to get the screws started, so it did lightly pop off the CPU when released.

Is there anything under the baseplate that may make it sit too far away from the MB?, if that's fine, try loosening the screws 1/2 turn from fully down and retesting, it's possible the cooler is down too tight and has warped the MB or even the CPU.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Blush! Sorry, mate I was thinking of the wrong Wraith.

That said, I recall the Wraith on my 1700X was a little tight but not excessively so, ' moderate ' pressure was enough to get the screws started, so it did lightly pop off the CPU when released.

Is there anything under the baseplate that may make it sit too far away from the MB?, if that's fine, try loosening the screws 1/2 turn from fully down and retesting, it's possible the cooler is down too tight and has warped the MB or even the CPU.

No, i think everything looks like it should be. Here is some more pic's from how the cooler is sitting and how the thermal paste was spread last time i changed it.
https://imgur.com/a/WNmgTvH

Could broken motherboard cause these kind of issues? I have been chatting with the place i bought the computer from. I said the voltages are jumping too and they seem to reach high numbers like 1,5V max but after reading some information about ryzen, thats seems ok too? They said i could try to rma my motherboard but i'm not sure could it even be the motherboard

Here is also some more hwinfo graphs, this time i was only watching some pictures and doing nothing else (maybe browser running background) so there is not much cpu usage at all. Very weird and FAST jumping from under 40c to 56c
https://imgur.com/a/vhF3VVA

 

[henri.karppinen95]

There is also some lagging problem. I'm installing gta v at the moment to test the performance and gaming temperatures and when i try to do other stuff while it's installing my computer is a bit laggy, like there is small delay while switching tabs on browser etc. Temperature is jumping around 40c-50 atm.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Ryzen Master is showing that all cores are running on same 4,1ghz speed without any cores dropping under 3ghz, but when i monitor my cores on HWinfo it shows that every second 2-3 cores goes down to under 3ghz.

Ryzen Master also show that my EDC (CPU) is always on red, pretty much all the time on 100% while using ryzen balanced power plan. When i switch it to windows balanced EDC drops to 26% and ryzen master and hwinfo shows same 2,2ghz core speeds.
https://imgur.com/a/8R3OVA2

Here is pic from another stresstest. Why is my cores running over 4ghz while idle but they wont boost over 4ghz while stress testing? Still on ryzen balanced power plan
https://imgur.com/a/9rRMUtP

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Does anyone notice anything unusual in those HWmonitor and Ryzen Master screenshots or how the thermal paste was spread? I'm running out of ideas what could cause such behavior.

 

[coozie7]

Can't see anything that looks odd with the readings-my 2700x does much the same with EDC.
The TIM spread looks normal also, pretty even with good coverage.
Again, my 2700X shows the same frequency pattern as your 2600X: it'll boost to over 4.2GHZ at idle from time to time but under rendering load it'll hover at about 4.1 while stress tests all pull it down to <>3.8, normal behaviour for both CPUs.

What IS unusual is the sky high temperatures, Ryzen is known to run hot, but that's just down to the way AMD have set the boost system, your CPU clearly has some issues elsewhere, with all 3 monitoring programs showing the same OTT readings it's not down to one or the other misreading a sensor.

Suggestions:
Reset the BIOS to full factory defaults and undo any overclocking you may have done to give yourself an even playing field.
Set Windows to AMD Balanced power.
Check with HWinfo that the CPU cooler fan is ramping up as the CPU heats up, this is the one reading I can't see in your screenshots and the Wraith is pretty quiet, you may not notice the fan changing speed ( or it may not be doing so ).
If at all possible, try another cooler, the TIM spread looks OK overall but it also seems a little thick on the edge, perhaps it's just not making good contact and the Ryzen design really needs good overall contact across the entire CPU heatspreader to stay cool.
I don't think this is a MB issue, sounds more like a defective CPU but try contacting AMD support directly, see what they say.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Can't see anything that looks odd with the readings-my 2700x does much the same with EDC.
The TIM spread looks normal also, pretty even with good coverage.
Again, my 2700X shows the same frequency pattern as your 2600X: it'll boost to over 4.2GHZ at idle from time to time but under rendering load it'll hover at about 4.1 while stress tests all pull it down to <>3.8, normal behaviour for both CPUs.

What IS unusual is the sky high temperatures, Ryzen is known to run hot, but that's just down to the way AMD have set the boost system, your CPU clearly has some issues elsewhere, with all 3 monitoring programs showing the same OTT readings it's not down to one or the other misreading a sensor.

Suggestions:
Reset the BIOS to full factory defaults and undo any overclocking you may have done to give yourself an even playing field.
Set Windows to AMD Balanced power.
Check with HWinfo that the CPU cooler fan is ramping up as the CPU heats up, this is the one reading I can't see in your screenshots and the Wraith is pretty quiet, you may not notice the fan changing speed ( or it may not be doing so ).
If at all possible, try another cooler, the TIM spread looks OK overall but it also seems a little thick on the edge, perhaps it's just not making good contact and the Ryzen design really needs good overall contact across the entire CPU heatspreader to stay cool.
I don't think this is a MB issue, sounds more like a defective CPU but try contacting AMD support directly, see what they say.

Thanks for the reply. I haven't made any tweaking in bios. Its been fully factory fresh since beginning. Cpu cooler fan is working and ramping up to the max speed while high temperatures. I don't really have any spare parts to test another cpu/motherboard/cooler cause my old setup is really old with fx-6300. What does OTT mean by the way? And do you know why aida64 never shows over 70c temperatures?

Should i give my computer to the professionals who could try to locate the problem? If i would rma my cpu and they can't find anything, would that cost much? I'm from EU.

 

[coozie7]

I'd drop it off to a repair shop, they'll usually charge a diagnostic fee, that will vary so ask first and make sure they do not carry out any repairs unless you give permission.
And OTT means: Over The Top, very very high or far beyond normal.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

I'd drop it off to a repair shop, they'll usually charge a diagnostic fee, that will vary so ask first and make sure they do not carry out any repairs unless you give permission.
And OTT means: Over The Top, very very high or far beyond normal.

Thanks for the help. I'm still curious why aida64 is showing more moderate temperatures, doesn't it read ryzen temps right? Is it impossible that motherboard could cause these kind of issues? When i start aida it also says it can't detect my motherboard, but hwinfo shows it just fine.

Could someone also clarify those spikes and crazy core behavior you can see in the second and third picture i posted? I'v never seen anything like that before. Looks like it's boosting one core to 100% while three of the cores are idling at 0%. I was just browsing internet and watching a stream at that time. Temperature graph looks also silly. Could behavior like this be caused by defective CPU?

 

[coozie7]

Not sure about others, but my CPU does the same, just idling with Afterburner as monitor I get the same sawtooth temperature spikes.
And yes, those temperature changes do look a bit excessive, mine jumps around a fair bit but I'm beginning to think there's an issue with the CPU heatspreader, maybe it's not soldered to the dies correctly, try asking the people you use to diagnose the problem to drop in another CPU to test the MB and cooler.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Yeah. I was watching that picture of my TIM spread again and now i'm wondering is it possible that my cpu cooler is screwed too tight on the cpu causing thermal paste to spread more on the edges. Is that layer too thin in middle of the cpu causing the overheating, middle of the cpu is the part that runs hottest right? You can easily see the ryzen logo through it. There is also some small scratches in bottom of the cpu cooler, but those wont matter that much right? Should i try the change the thermal paste one more time, but this time not screw the cpu cooler as tight it can go?

Photos of cpu cooler scratches: https://imgur.com/a/rCqj9rW The one on the top is more deep, why would there be such scratches in my cooler? Is it normal to get this quality out of the box?

Does anyone know what are these marks on the corners of the cpu? Looks like they are little bit elevated or something. Pretty much only visible in picture.
https://imgur.com/a/2UurFzc

 

[coozie7]

Unless they're REALLY deep and REALLY large scratches aren't a concern.
The TIM only needs to fill microscopic voids on the CPU heatspreader and cooler surface, as long as you can see coverage that's enough, in fact a thick, obvious layer is actually bad for temperatures.
You can try reseating and not tighten down so hard, as I said earlier, if the cooler is too tight it can bend the MB or even distort the CPU-tighten fully then back off a turn, see what happens.
More than a few CPUs will show that kind of marking, but it MAY indicate damage do to overpressure on the cooler, note: it MAY indicate damage.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Unless they're REALLY deep and REALLY large scratches aren't a concern.
The TIM only needs to fill microscopic voids on the CPU heatspreader and cooler surface, as long as you can see coverage that's enough, in fact a thick, obvious layer is actually bad for temperatures.
You can try reseating and not tighten down so hard, as I said earlier, if the cooler is too tight it can bend the MB or even distort the CPU-tighten fully then back off a turn, see what happens.
More than a few CPUs will show that kind of marking, but it MAY indicate damage do to overpressure on the cooler, note: it MAY indicate damage.

Yeah, thanks mate. It also could be some kind of manufacturing mistake that makes it overtight but that would be like 1/100000 chance
i think, cause wraith uses spring screws and you are supposed to fully tighten then

Damn. Didn't expect this kind of mess to happen when i finally decided to buy a new rig.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

More stuff if anyone is interested to check and tell me what could cause these kind of behavior and could it be the CPU or something else.

I was testing my pc with some fortnite gameplay, 2560x1440 resolution, maxed settings and i only got average 80 fps. I should get a lot more right?. CPU temperatures were pretty steady 72c. My cpu usage was only like 30% and cores were running only 3,8ghz and not boosting any further. GPU running at 100%. It also feels weird that my cpu temperatures were staying at same steady 72c even when i minimized the game and started browsing internet UNTIL i closed the game. That's when they started to slowly creep down and while the temps were creeping down, my cores were slowly boosting up closer to the 4,2ghz same time. Some of the cores are also dropping to 2,7ghz while writing this, dunno if thats normal. Still on ryzen balanced power plan btw.

Is this also a sign of defective CPU? There's also a screenshot i took while playing. https://imgur.com/a/Bcd2aYb

If someone has any program in mind i should test my computer with, please tell me. All help is much appreciated.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Bumb. Could my cpu cause low fps in games at that temperature or is differend problem? Is it impossible that bad PSU connector could be reason for all of this?

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Sorry for the spam. I ran benchmark tests with Novabench several times and i only got 846-872 GPU score, which is over 100 points below average. Cpu score seem fine. I'm wondering what could cause such wide spectrum of problems. Forgot to tell that i'm using Seasonic focus+ cold 650w fully modular.

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Okay, check this out. I ran three UserBenchMark test in a row and my ram was underperforming in all of them. Also cpu didn't have correct score either. After that i booted my pc and entered bios. I wanted to test if using x-amp would fix this issue. I tried 3200mhz first and when i tried to exit bios my pc freezed totally, i had to hit the reset button. After that i tried again and used x-amp 1
which is 2933mhz. Soon as i booted i heard my cpu fan ramming up so i hitted hwinfo and saw my tempererautes were maxing at 60c and howering around 50c while idle (screenshot below). Switching to power save mode helped to calm them down and they are steady 38.3c at the moment. My pc also recognise both 8gb sticks running at 2933mhz. What is going on?

https://imgur.com/a/BC5lTbc

 

[henri.karppinen95]

Unless they're REALLY deep and REALLY large scratches aren't a concern.
The TIM only needs to fill microscopic voids on the CPU heatspreader and cooler surface, as long as you can see coverage that's enough, in fact a thick, obvious layer is actually bad for temperatures.
You can try reseating and not tighten down so hard, as I said earlier, if the cooler is too tight it can bend the MB or even distort the CPU-tighten fully then back off a turn, see what happens.
More than a few CPUs will show that kind of marking, but it MAY indicate damage do to overpressure on the cooler, note: it MAY indicate damage.

Any idea why aida64 stability test statistics shows only value of -10 000 in CPU and PWM currents and also in "powers" CPU? Also it says that cpu temperature hit only 54c max when hwinfo and ryzen master show'd +85c

https://imgur.com/a/brdox9s