Ryzen 5 2600x vs i5 8400 when coupled with a midrange gpu.

[MohamedMostafa]

In all the comparisons I've seen the 8400 pulls ahead by a 5 - 10 % margin but that's when coupled with a 1080 ti, I on the other hand will either be getting a gtx 1060 or a rx 580, so when the r5 2600x is overclocked, would that difference vanish ?

There are two more factors at play here:
1- Where I live, they both cost almost the same.
2- I will use the pc for gaming and application development, I daily use programs like Visual studio 2017, Sql server 2017, Android studio and virtual emulators, sometimes simultaneously. so the boost in application speed in case of the r5 seems tempting for me, but I want to know how much I'm giving up in the gaming platform for it.

Thanks in advance.

 

[R_1]

not as much as you would think: results are for the gist only CPU's only, but you should get the idea.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/3939vs3956

what is more important to you raw IPC or heavy threaded workloads? I think the 2600x would be the way, overclockable, loves faster RAM, twice the threads, not paying for a GPU you'll never use.

 

[TJ Hooker]

Tomhardware's review of the 2600X has it edging out the 8400 in games and typically beating it by a fair margin in heavily threaded apps. If you can get them for the same price the 2600X seems like right choice.

 

[MohamedMostafa]

Tomhardware's review of the 2600X has it edging out the 8400 in games and typically beating it by a fair margin in heavily threaded apps. If you can get them for the same price the 2600X seems like right choice.

Forgive my question, I'm quite new to pc building, would the 2600x perform better with rx 580 than the gtx 1060 or it's the same deal and also the last time I overclocked my gpu, it involved alot of testing and wasn't an easy thing to do, would that be different with overclocking the 2600x ?

 

[TJ Hooker]

The CPU wouldn't really perform any differently based on your video card. The question of whether a 1060 or 580 is better is that it depends on the game (assuming it's a 1060 6GB), and that overall the 580 perform a bit better on average in DX12/Vulkan games whereas the 1060 performs a bit better in DX11. The 1060 uses less power though. If they're the same price I'd personally get the 580.

Honestly, if you get a B450 or X470 motherboard there a number of features built in that basically auto overclock the CPU (XFR2, PB2). You'll typically get close enough in performance to a manually overclocked 2600X that I'd say you don't have to manually overclock unless you want to, and don't have to feel bad about leaving performance on the table.

 

[MohamedMostafa]

So this is what I have now for the rig:

AMD RYZEN 5 2600X 6-Core 3.6GHz
MSI B450 TOMAHAWK Socket AM4 Motherboard
G.skill TridentZ 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 3200 CL16 1.35v Desktop Memory (F4-3200C16D-16GTZ)
ASUS Radeon RX 580 Dual OC Edition 8GB GDDR5
Power supply: ?
hard disk: ?

Do you have any suggestions for the missing parts and do you think this ram couple is suitable for the 2600x ? sorry for raining you with questions xD

 

[chemmajorp53]

Yeah that RAM is definitely suitable, in fact it's the RAM most people wanting higher mem speeds get with Ryzen builds since the 3200MHz chips are supposed to have samsung b-die. As far as power supply, any quality 550W/650W from Seasonic, EVGA, Super Flower, or Corsair will do. There are some other manufacturers as well.

Some suggestions:
Seasonic focus series
EVGA GQ/G2/G3 series (NOT nex series those are crap)
Corsair RM series
Budget: CX550M or anything by seasonic

As far as storage goes, the 860 evo 500GB SSD has been on sale for $85 in the US, which is a pretty good deal. Could back it up with a Seagate 2TB hard drive or something.

EDIT: Sorry I didn't read the cas latency, the 16GTZ modules usually have hynix memory, should still be fine though, Ryzen memory compatibility is getting better.

 

[TJ Hooker]

Looks good to me. One thing I'll mention is that is a budget model of RX 580, so it may run hotter/louder than other higher end versions. It's not a big deal, and can usually be at least partially mitigated through undervolting (which is pretty easy and a good thing to do on most AMD cards). Just thought it's worth mentioning, especially if you were thinking of overclocking it.

The list of PSUs @chemmajorp53 would all be fine choices. Are you in the US?

 

[MohamedMostafa]

Yeah that RAM is definitely suitable, in fact it's the RAM most people wanting higher mem speeds get with Ryzen builds since the 3200MHz chips are supposed to have samsung b-die. As far as power supply, any quality 550W/650W from Seasonic, EVGA, Super Flower, or Corsair will do. There are some other manufacturers as well.

Some suggestions:
Seasonic focus series
EVGA GQ/G2/G3 series (NOT nex series those are crap)
Corsair RM series
Budget: CX550M or anything by seasonic

As far as storage goes, the 860 evo 500GB SSD has been on sale for $85 in the US, which is a pretty good deal. Could back it up with a Seagate 2TB hard drive or something.

EDIT: Sorry I didn't read the cas latency, the 16GTZ modules usually have hynix memory, should still be fine though, Ryzen memory compatibility is getting better.

Can you point me to a couple of models that would work best with the 2600x so that I can check for their availability in my country ?

Looks good to me. One thing I'll mention is that is a budget model of RX 580, so it may run hotter/louder than other higher end versions. It's not a big deal, and can usually be at least partially mitigated through undervolting (which is pretty easy and a good thing to do on most AMD cards). Just thought it's worth mentioning, especially if you were thinking of overclocking it.

The list of PSUs @chemmajorp53 would all be fine choices. Are you in the US?

No, I live in Egypt, which of these is not a budget variant ?

XFX AMD Radeon RX 580 GTS Black Edition OC+ 8GB GDDR5 (RX-580P8DBD6) - 7,900 L.E
Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8GB GDDR5 (GV-RX580AORUS-8GD) - 7,250-7900 L.E
SAPPHIRE NITRO + Radeon RX 580 8GB GDDR5 Special Edition - 8.500 L.E
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 Windforce OC 6GB GDDR5 (GV-N1060WF2OC-6GD) - 6,800-7,100 L.E

I listed the prices so you'd have an easier time comparing, but if one of them is marginally better tell me right away to go for it, thanks.

 

[TJ Hooker]

I think all of those models would be considered at least mid range rather than budget. I can't find reviews of several of them but I would guess the relative quality of each card (which will mostly be reflected in how good the cooler is) falls roughly in line with their relative prices. I have the Sapphire 580 (non special edition) and really like it. The Aorus might be the best bang for buck. I had an Aorus Rx 570 for a bit and I think I remember it having a decent cooler anyway.

 

[MohamedMostafa]

How about i5 8600k vs i5 9600k considering the latter is only 10$ more expensive ?

 

[TJ Hooker]

In theory an 8600k/9600k would perform better in games compared to a ryzen 5. But if you're gaming at 1080 you're not going to see any real difference in gaming performance between any of those CPUs with an RX 580 or GTX 1060. An overclocked i5 would also likely cost a fair bit more after factoring the the price of the CPU + cooler + Z series motherboard.

 

[MohamedMostafa]

In theory an 8600k/9600k would perform better in games compared to a ryzen 5. But if you're gaming at 1080 you're not going to see any real difference in gaming performance between any of those CPUs with an RX 580 or GTX 1060. An overclocked i5 would also likely cost a fair bit more after factoring the the price of the CPU + cooler + Z series motherboard.

Yeah, as you have probably noticed by now, I'm a very shaky buyer and I got caught up in stupid fps comparisons than the actual needs and gains so my final choice will be the 2600x along with a 1070 and a b450 tomahawk mobo, I know there's this thing about amd cpus and certain rams and when I search I find the same set with same speed but with different prices and I can't tell what's the difference between them or if it would affect the performance or not, do you think this couple would be suitable ?
https://www.newegg.com/global/sa-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233859&Description=CMK16GX4M2Z3200C16&cm_re=CMK16GX4M2Z3200C16-_-20-233-859-_-Product