Question Ryzen 5 2700x, no OC stock coolers idle at 90 degree?

[agesblood]

Just updated to a Ryzen 5 2700x and it is not overclocked. Slap it on with the stock fan cooler but sits idle at 80-90 degree. It gets this hot instantly when I start up my computer.

Took it apart and thought maybe the stock thermal paste was bad. And it was bad... at least it seem like it not enough coverage. Put some MX-4 of my own and thought I fixed the problem. Test it out again I get the same issue... anyone know why?

 

[Archaic59]

Just updated to a Ryzen 5 2700x and it is not overclocked. Slap it on with the stock fan cooler but sits idle at 80-90 degree. It gets this hot instantly when I start up my computer.

Took it apart and thought maybe the stock thermal paste was bad. And it was bad... at least it seem like it not enough coverage. Put some MX-4 of my own and thought I fixed the problem. Test it out again I get the same issue... anyone know why?

If that's in fahrenheit then it's normal. If it's celsius then there's a problem.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7???

The stock cooler is very difficult to clamp down. Be sure you have it securely fastened.

 

[Karadjgne]

Did you clean the cpu/cooler first before reapplication? Paste works better when it's thinner it only has to fill micro scratches and puts etc, not like putting peanut butter on a sandwich.

Is the fan plugged in and working right? That's a 120w cooler on a 105w cpu, so those temps line up with either no fan or a cpu at close to 100% loads.

Have you reset cmos/bios to factory optimal defaults? If bios is still supplying voltages at the settings for the precious cpu, things could be funky

 

[agesblood]

If that's in fahrenheit then it's normal. If it's celsius then there's a problem.

It's in Celsius

Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7???

The stock cooler is very difficult to clamp down. Be sure you have it securely fastened.

Its a Ryzen 5 2700x and I screwed it all the way to the point where it wont let me do it anymore

Did you clean the cpu/cooler first before reapplication? Paste works better when it's thinner it only has to fill micro scratches and puts etc, not like putting peanut butter on a sandwich.

Is the fan plugged in and working right? That's a 120w cooler on a 105w cpu, so those temps line up with either no fan or a cpu at close to 100% loads.

Have you reset cmos/bios to factory optimal defaults? If bios is still supplying voltages at the settings for the precious cpu, things could be funky

Yes I cleaned it with rubbing alcohol and I did a Pea size in the middle.
This is also a new Motherboard

The fan is spinning

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Its a Ryzen 5 2700x and I screwed it all the way to the point where it wont let me do it anymore

There's no such thing as a Ryzen 5 2700X. If you screwed it down you are using a stock cooler from something other than the 2700X, meaning it's smaller and insufficient.

What CPU do you have?

and

What cooler are you using?

 

[InvalidError]

Its a Ryzen 5 2700x and I screwed it all the way to the point where it wont let me do it anymore

If you screwed both screws on the same side all the way down before doing the opposite side, the HSF may have gone down crooked on the IHS. To make sure the HSF makes even contact, you should first bring the screws to snug following an X pattern, repeat the X pattern to verify that they are all similarly tight, then finish tightening.

 

[agesblood]

There's no such thing as a Ryzen 5 2700X. If you screwed it down you are using a stock cooler from something other than the 2700X, meaning it's smaller and insufficient.

What CPU do you have?

and

What cooler are you using?

Sorry typo its an Ryzen 5 2600x and its the stock cooler called
wraith spiral cooler 95w

If you screwed both screws on the same side all the way down before doing the opposite side, the HSF may have gone down crooked on the IHS. To make sure the HSF makes even contact, you should first bring the screws to snug following an X pattern, repeat the X pattern to verify that they are all similarly tight, then finish tightening.

Yup i did that, I also do an X pattern when I screw stuff

 

[agesblood]

I guess I'll redo the thermal paste again, I'll upload a picture to let you guys see the coverage

 

[agesblood]

I guess I'll redo the thermal paste again, I'll upload a picture to let you guys see the coverage

So I redid the thermal paste and it went down to 70-80 degree idle... which isn't great still...

Is it possible this would be a bad cpu? or a bad reading because when I put my hands near the fan or the back of the chip its not that hot... its lukewarm at best

 

[Gmoney06ss]

What software are you using to check? Have you checked multiple different ones to see if they are all equally reporting? What does bios say?

 

[Karadjgne]

Should be using Ryzen Master, anything else other than HWInfo64 and Coretemp is suspect.

It might be a new motherboard you just bought, but there's no telling when it was actually manufactured, so the bios will only be the one current at that time. You may need to update the bios (read everything very carefully, some bios require steps, not just throw in the latest).

Have you also installed all the necessary motherboard chipset drivers, not just gpu?

 

[agesblood]

What software are you using to check? Have you checked multiple different ones to see if they are all equally reporting? What does bios say?

I use their own program Ryzen master and as well as speccy which both shows similar results.

It's weird because it instantly heats up when I turn on the computer. Sometimes it shows the core would run at 4000mhz but I never OC it and everything is stock, but even when it runs in 2300mhz it still hover around 80-90~

Should be using Ryzen Master, anything else other than HWInfo64 and Coretemp is suspect.

It might be a new motherboard you just bought, but there's no telling when it was actually manufactured, so the bios will only be the one current at that time. You may need to update the bios (read everything very carefully, some bios require steps, not just throw in the latest).

Have you also installed all the necessary motherboard chipset drivers, not just gpu?

I am only 1 upgrade away from the latest I believe. I guess i'll upgrade the latest one and check back in


Also I just noticed something. The AMD Ryzen Master has two temperature. One says Temperature which is showing at idle 40 degrees~ and the other one is PTC(CPU) which is the one that is sitting 80-90 idle~. I believe thats the one that speccy is reporting. Which one actually matters or does both of them matter?

My mb is

GIGABYTE B450M DS3H Socket AM4

 

[agesblood]

https://ibb.co/8j2Gs7p

 

[twentyfourismax]

Should be using Ryzen Master, anything else other than HWInfo64 and Coretemp is suspect.

It's not relevant to the post, but i've been using HWMonitor by CPUID, you're saying it's not accurate? Aren't all these softwares reading same sensors? Should I use HWiNFO instead?

 

[dstln]

I use their own program Ryzen master and as well as speccy which both shows similar results.

It's weird because it instantly heats up when I turn on the computer. Sometimes it shows the core would run at 4000mhz but I never OC it and everything is stock, but even when it runs in 2300mhz it still hover around 80-90~



I am only 1 upgrade away from the latest I believe. I guess i'll upgrade the latest one and check back in


Also I just noticed something. The AMD Ryzen Master has two temperature. One says Temperature which is showing at idle 40 degrees~ and the other one is PTC(CPU) which is the one that is sitting 80-90 idle~. I believe thats the one that speccy is reporting. Which one actually matters or does both of them matter?

My mb is

GIGABYTE B450M DS3H Socket AM4

Oh wow...

The "Temperature" in the upper-left of Ryzen Master shows your CPU temp. PTC on the right is essentially your processor's stated thermal max.

So it sounds like your temps are fine.

 

[dstln]

It's not relevant to the post, but i've been using HWMonitor by CPUID, you're saying it's not accurate? Aren't all these softwares reading same sensors? Should I use HWiNFO instead?

For me, HWMonitor's CPU "Package" temperature has been the exact same as the Ryzen Master "Temperature" reading.

 

[Karadjgne]

Little explanation:

There's a thing temp readers use call polls. That where the reader looks at the sensor and gets the number. Some poll every 256ms, some 500ms, some 1000ms etc. Now apart from polling times is reporting times. If the temp was reported every time it polled, then all you'd see is the digital '88' with it being a constant blur. So software reports every 2-4 seconds for your viewing pleasure.

Imagine a background task at idle. With Intel you'd see the cpu at 32, go up to 42, 52, then drop back to 32. Now apply that same short spike in loads to polling times above. What you'd see with one program is a temp of 42, and the other a temp of 52. Due to polling times of 500ms and 1000ms. And that temp would stay for 3ish seconds. Make you believe in the first that the cpu is at 42, and the second the cpu is at 52. They really aren't.

Both are accurate. They read the sensor accurately. Reality is that it was a half second spike, not a constant temp. And that's the issue. It's not that Hwmonitor or others are inaccurate, it's that what they poll and what gets reported isn't based on what's actually happening, it's a quick grab of temps that happened to catch an inconsequential spike.

Because of the way Ryzens work, that gets further messed up and ppl freak out about high idle temps. Ryzen Master is a little different. It doesn't report the exact temp as read, per read. It takes the last 3-4 polls and averages them, so when it does report, it'd be an average of 32-42-52, which is 42. On one core, not multiple cores, the other cores are shut down at idle. This gives a better overall purview of what's really happening over a period of time, not an instant grab. Because it's an averaged temp, it's not accurate as such, but it is a more accurate representation of what's really happening.

If you ask someone the time, chances are they'll say it's 5 o'clock. Doesn't matter that the exact time might be 4:57 or 5:03, it's 5 o'clock. They most definitely won't say 4:57 and 43 seconds, and if they did, by the time they finish, they are wrong anyways as that took 2 seconds to announce. So just saying 5 o'clock puts you right in the right time frame.