Question Ryzen 5 3600 vs 10400f?

[sapins23]

Which one should i go with? (The I5 is 145 euros and the Ryzen 5 is almost 200 euros)

 

[M.AGamer]

Which one should i go with? (The I5 is 145 euros and the Ryzen 5 is almost 200 euros)

If gaming is your main thing go with 10400f

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge630T9CsC0

 

[AlexTheFern]

10400f has better single core performance and is cheaper

 

[General Kenobi]

Which one should i go with? (The I5 is 145 euros and the Ryzen 5 is almost 200 euros)

Imo go with intel they both perform same performance wise but the problem is price you are paying 27.5% more money for same performance.

 

[Karadjgne]

Intel cores run faster than the similar Ryzen cores. That affects some games more than others. But just the cost of the cpu isn't the whe story. Nor are those comparison videos. There's also the cost of the motherboard and the type of ram to consider. What ram was the 2 pc's running? Running 2933MHz MHz on both is going to see a Ryzen performance loss, roughly 10% from 3600MHz. Running 3600MHz on a 10400f will screw with equitable results since it will only use 2933MHz.
And PBO?

So take those comparisons with a grain of salt, performance overall is pretty equitable. Which leaves overall costs, not just cpu cost, as a better basis for value comparisons.

 

[General Kenobi]

Intel cores run faster than the similar Ryzen cores. That affects some games more than others. But just the cost of the cpu isn't the whe story. Nor are those comparison videos. There's also the cost of the motherboard and the type of ram to consider. What ram was the 2 pc's running? Running 2933MHz MHz on both is going to see a Ryzen performance loss, roughly 10% from 3600MHz. Running 3600MHz on a 10400f will screw with equitable results since it will only use 2933MHz.
And PBO?

So take those comparisons with a grain of salt, performance overall is pretty equitable. Which leaves overall costs, not just cpu cost, as a better basis for value comparisons.

Very well said and sure to be considered just a mobo id recommend would be B460 Mortar for$100(general price) it offers great value with 3000Mhz ram CL16/15

 

[mdd1963]

Intel cores run faster than the similar Ryzen cores.

Intel cores run faster than the similar pre-5000 series Ryzen cores.

Semi-fixed it..!

 

[Karadjgne]

Intel cores run faster than the similar pre-5000 series Ryzen cores.

Semi-fixed it..!

? Intel stock boosts, upto 5.2GHz. Zen 3 4.4GHz. Same 8GT/s bus speeds. How are Ryzen faster? Especially for the way AutoCad loves clock speeds vs core count. Zen 3's slightly higher IPC isn't going to make up a 800MHz deficit when only using 1-4 cores.

 

[Nemesia]

Ryzen 5000 is head to head with Intel in games right now and ahead in some titles. Doesn't matter if you have 5.2GHz or 4.4GHz when you do more Instruction Per Clock cycle.

That 19% IPC increase on that Ryzen 5000 really did the job of bringing AMD exactly where Intel is right now on the single thread performance and is even better in some applications.

Let's not talk about multi-threaded productivity task either. AMD all the way. Autocad included when you do rendering.

That's not considering Smart Access Memory when you use a RX 6000 GPU with a Ryzen 5000 CPU. Performance is even higher then on games.

Ryzen 3000 vs Intel 10XXX series. No.
Ryzen 5000 vs Intel 10XXX series. Yes.
Ryzen 5000 vs Intel 11th gen. We will have to see.

 

[Karadjgne]

AMD Ryzen 5000 IPC Performance Tested

IPC performance is a good indicator of a CPU's architecture efficiency, so we're checking out how Zen 3 compares against Intel's 10th-gen Core and AMD's progress with...

www.techspot.com

Before arguing, read the article, Yes amd is better in all tests, even in Blender Zen3 is 16% faster.

At a locked 4GHz. AMD has a very decent advantage in IPC. No argument there. Clock for clock. But thats testing an i7-10700k that's handicapped by as much as 1200MHz and a Ryzen only handicapped by as much as 400MHz.

IPC gains don't make up the difference overall. If Ryzen could match Intel clock speeds, or even close, the IPC difference would definitely be a factor and Intel would seriously be in trouble. But per second, Intel can field a total of more instructions still.

Whether a game or other software can take advantage of the total instruction count is a different story.

 

[gtarayan]

Between the 2 processor Intel is slightly faster. If you consider a system as a whole, AMD is the better choice when you consider the avenue of a future upgrade to a 5000 series CPU.

 

[Karadjgne]

Maybe. Afaik that's uncertain. There's rumors that AM4 is done with the 5000 series, the next gen will be AM4+ and 5nm 6000 series with speeds getting closer to 5GHz instead of the current 2nd round of 4.4GHz. Meaning the current Ryzens are just as much a dead end as possibly the Intels are at. It's a lot of speculation and supposition atm. 11th gen Intel should stay at lga1200 IF Intel follows past history, but there's no guarantee on that, dropping from 14nm to 10nm or even 7nm may require a different socket.

Nobody who has a clue is going to talk, not until the Boss gives the OK to the press and advertising depts. For years Intel didn't care so much about leaks of info, neither did amd, the cpus were mismatched in performance, but as close as they are now, their secrets are guarded tighter than the nuclear launch codes.

Upgrade from 1k or 2k series to 5k series Ryzen? Money shot, definitely worth it if you have the board for it. 3k series? Iffy. Most ppl no, not worth it, the 3k is not far behind enough to warrant the expense, only for fps hogs or work performance/time venues. A 10700k and decent mobo costs less than a similar performance and core count 5800x cpu by itself. Atm.

So who knows what tomorrow might bring.

 

[General Kenobi]

Between the 2 processor Intel is slightly faster. If you consider a system as a whole, AMD is the better choice when you consider the avenue of a future upgrade to a 5000 series CPU.

You arent wrong infact even i thought about it but then i saw it from a different point of view, lets us consider that after three years the user wanna upgrade so theyll have to spend $200 now and later again $x on the same platform thus increasing the overall cost for the same platform and considering we would be getting AM5 socket this year i wont recommend AMD in this scenario if you wanna buy R5 3600 for 200 now and maybe R7 5800 for $300 two years later it will give you the same performance as today but two years later whereas you buy a 5800X now get awesome performance today and good performance tomorrow. Ik you could say for AM5 we'll need new mobo and ram-yes i agree, but then you get more upgradibility for future AM5 cpu's and AM4 has reached its end so imo instead of upgrading to the same platform later get the 'upgrades' now,but i do get your point and getting hands on Zen3 especially at normal prices are just fantasies now.

 

[Karadjgne]

There's always something better coming out tomorrow. That's the rule when it comes to pc's and pc equipment. Meaning whatever you buy today will be obsolete tomorrow when the new stuff comes out. The catch is that at the end of today you will go to bed and when you wake up that day will be today, and whatever you buy will be obsolete tomorrow. Rinse and repeat. Over and over.

You've only got the best, the latest and greatest, for today. How many 'todays' that lasts doesn't depend on whether it's obsolete, it depends on whether it's still useful or not.

 

[animekenji]

It depends on your intention. Intel runs games better, but AMD runs workloads better.