[SOLVED] Ryzen 5000 series on 300 series motherboards and a tiny question about a gpu.

[Maramsp]

Hey all,

Since I got amazing help with my previous question, I've decided for now to ask all my pc questions over here. You all guys give better info then the dutch forums I normally use, and I like that.

I have 2 questions now, but because the main question is about CPU's, I post the question here.

I have an Asus Prime B-350M motherboard, which (ofcourse) has a 350 chipset. Is it possible, wether by a bios upgrade or not, to install a Ryzen 5000 series cpu? I was considering at least a high Ryzen 5, or maybe even a Ryzen 7 cpu to upgrade my current Ryzen 1800x.

I've heard that it is better to have a higher chipset motherboard, but for not it is not possible to upgrade both the motherboard, the cpu, and the graphics card.

Speaking about graphic cards, I have the RTX 2070 now, and because I still think my current cpu is capable of running the most demanding games fairly maxed out (f.e i don't care about anti aliasing with todays graphics in games) I thought the 3070 would be a nice upgrade.

Even thought about the 3080, but for that I need a new PSU as well, cause my current one is 750w, and I have lots of other stuff in my case that has to be powered as well, like a sound card, 2ssd's 3hdd's, dvd player, rgb.

Any way, taking these 2 things together, knowing that in every comparison it says my current 1800x is the bottleneck (in which i disagree however), what would be the best upgrade, and is it possible to run a 5000 series cpu on a 350 chipset?

Thanks again in advance!

 

[.valkyrie.]

hi
i'm trying to build new pc but not full gaming , mostly casual....
there are some custom bios to make even a320 ro run 5000, not sure if they are released thought!
but officially, No.... 300 can't run 5000...
so ur best option is ryzen 3000.


about bottleneck, ur right but those forums usually speak in general... there are some cpu demanding options in game settings and if u dont use them, then u have no problem. but u didn't said whats ur resolution... FhD? 2k? if those, i think ur fine

 

[Maramsp]

just fhd indeed, but seeing that some games struggle with raytracing on my current 2070, i thought the 3070 was a good alternative

 

[drea.drechsler]

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I have 2 questions now, but because the main question is about CPU's, I post the question here.

I have an Asus Prime B-350M motherboard, which (ofcourse) has a 350 chipset. Is it possible, wether by a bios upgrade or not, to install a Ryzen 5000 series cpu? I was considering at least a high Ryzen 5, or maybe even a Ryzen 7 cpu to upgrade my current Ryzen 1800x.
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AMD has stated that only 500 series motherboards will work with Ryzen 5000, and 400 series only once they get an AGESA ready some time early in 2021. 300 series motherboards, like your B350, will never get one. Your best CPU will be a Ryzen 3000 series chip which is no slouch even today. I'd really not consider a 2000 series CPU as Zen2 is so much better even for memory overclocking.

Which CPU to get...a Ryzen 5, 6 core 3600X or a Ryzen 7, 8 core 3700X/3800X...depends on what your use case is. The six core is all that's needed for high quality gaming even on top-tier GPU's. But if you also run apps alongside your gaming and want to minimize potential impact then an 8 core becomes much more interesting.

If you have productivity work that run on apps using a lot of threads the Ryzen 9 processors become more important but I'm seriously doubting your B350m motherboard's VRM could handle them effectively. Even the 8 core CPU's might be a bit hard actually (a 2700X actually more so than 3700X or 3800X). B350 boards are infamous for weak VRM design but will work well for a gaming rig running a 3600X.

 

[.valkyrie.]

just fhd indeed, but seeing that some games struggle with raytracing on my current 2070, i thought the 3070 was a good alternative

really? i never had 2070 myself, but as i read in reviews, i though its more than enough for 2k and 2060 is enough for FHD.... so a 2070 for FHD is really fine.
i cant say anything more but i think if u get a bettertter CPU 1st, u may not need to change ur VGA... and ofc getting new mobo for AM4 and 5000 does not worth it at all

 

[Maramsp]

really? i never had 2070 myself, but as i read in reviews, i though its more than enough for 2k and 2060 is enough for FHD.... so a 2070 for FHD is really fine.
i cant say anything more but i think if u get a bettertter CPU 1st, u may not need to change ur VGA... and ofc getting new mobo for AM4 and 5000 does not worth it at all

Sorry for the late reply, but yes.. Take for example death stranding. Its really playable, thats not the thing, but I experience less smooth gameplay with both rtx and dlss on.
Watch dogs legion would be a good game to really test it. But I won't buy it yet, as I have very mixed feelings on it.
The thing here really is, With a card like the 2070, I expect to run everything maxed out on 1080p, and with nowadays graphics being much and much better then in the past, I can simply put AA off in every game since it makes little to no difference to me. Put on top of that, that most gamers, including myself standart turn of motion blur, this should result in 50-55+ frame rates or higher in every game. Thing is, sometimes it doesnt, Control does not do this for me, but that game seems to be poorly optimized. Also the earlier games with RTX doesnt do it (wolfenstein, tomb raider, with tomb raider giving me dx errors when running dx12) So all in all I must have a bit of hope into the upcoming games, particually because DLSS2.0 and the next generation of RTX cards are out already.
F.E, while ac valhalla doesnt have neither RTX or DLSS its a game that runs perfectly fine on my system, with sometimes even fps above 90.
But, we have to wait what cyberpunk does, cause imo thats the game that will put the standard for other games. Although it is still a bit of a wait, that would be (ofcourse) the best game to really test the raytracing and DLSS

AMD has stated that only 500 series motherboards will work with Ryzen 5000, and 400 series only once they get an AGESA ready some time early in 2021. 300 series motherboards, like your B350, will never get one. Your best CPU will be a Ryzen 3000 series chip which is no slouch even today. I'd really not consider a 2000 series CPU as Zen2 is so much better even for memory overclocking.

Which CPU to get...a Ryzen 5, 6 core 3600X or a Ryzen 7, 8 core 3700X/3800X...depends on what your use case is. The six core is all that's needed for high quality gaming even on top-tier GPU's. But if you also run apps alongside your gaming and want to minimize potential impact then an 8 core becomes much more interesting.

If you have productivity work that run on apps using a lot of threads the Ryzen 9 processors become more important but I'm seriously doubting your B350m motherboard's VRM could handle them effectively. Even the 8 core CPU's might be a bit hard actually (a 2700X actually more so than 3700X or 3800X). B350 boards are infamous for weak VRM design but will work well for a gaming rig running a 3600X.

Aye, It was a big mistake to buy my current mobo, as it doesnt even have northbridge cooling, which my previous boards did had.
So all in all whether i like it or not, There will come a time where i should upgrade the thing.
As for the cpu choice.. I currently have an 8 core 16 threads 1800x, and it seems to be running perfectly fine, so was thinking myself about going to the 3800x or maybe the 3900x or the 3700x. The 3600x is not a big enough upgrade for me, and since I plan on first upgrading my video card and my monitor which I will do next year, then the year after that I can fully upgrade my motherboard, cpu and psu (psu most likely as well by then).
But really, it seems that most of the games that comes out requiring a kickass gpu instead of cpu.
F.E take valhalla again, it says to be run optimal, it needs a 3000 series amd cpu, but my 1800x is running it perfectly fine, and my friend's 2700x, is also running it perfectly fine, while both of our gpu's (he has a radeon 5700 if i recall corectly) are struggling with some very heavy and unoptimized games, which for me would be death stranding, wolfenstein, tomb raider. But his card and mine are like comparing apples to eggs, cause I can enable raytracing and DLSS, whereas he can not.