Question Ryzen 7 2700X issue ?

[chilipepperhead]

I have a few questions about the ryzen 7 2700x, i built this pc in early 2018 and has been great overall but recently been having issues with recording game footage and playing games that lead me to do all kinds of testing on the computer but so far have found nothing that seems out of place other than windows lagging sometimes this is worse after closing a game or when windowing out while a game is running.
Anyway to my questions in core temp it is saying TJ max is 67 degrees c and maybe i am wrong but that sounds quite low to me to be the thermal junction on this cpu being AMD pretty much always runs hot compared to Intel from all i have gathered is this normal or is something wrong here is the question or possibly could core temp be wrong for whatever reason. the other question is what kind of tests can i run on my pc to test if the CPU is on it's way out because that is kind of my suspicion. for context i have no bluescreen issues or posting issues at all. used windows memory diagnostic tool to test ram and all came back fine no issues. stress tested my GPU with AMD's stress test in the driver software and ran furmark and had no issues there.

FULL SPECS OF THE PC
Ryzen 7 2700x (defused in china) not that this should matter the standards should be the same for all factories
Asus ROG X470F gaming motherboard (just updated the bios to the 6505 bios 2023) thought it was a b350f
32 gb ddr4 hyperx ram (3200mhz) and is set to this in bios
Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 (8gb gddr5)
also have 3 ssd's and one mechanical hdd connected via sata
the main windows SSD 500gb is silicon power not sure exact model off hand
the others are just raw storage for games and files
sandisk ssd 1tb
crutial ssd 2tb
seagate hdd 2tb

any suggestion would be great as of now i just can't afford to replace parts or build a new pc

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Asus ROG X470F gaming motherboard (just updated the bios to the 6505 bios 2023) thought it was a b350f
Did you clear the CMOS after you'd verified that the BIOS was successfully updated to the latest version?

Just had to go through memory lane to look at the max temps acceptable by the processor, it's 105 Deg C. What sort of voltages are you seeing in BIOS for the CPU?

Make and model of you PSU and it's age? How are you cooling that processor?

 

[drea.drechsler]

I have a few questions about the ryzen 7 2700x, i built this pc in early 2018 and has been great overall but recently been having issues with recording game footage and playing games that lead me to do all kinds of testing on the computer but so far have found nothing that seems out of place other than windows lagging sometimes this is worse after closing a game or when windowing out while a game is running.
Anyway to my questions in core temp it is saying TJ max is 67 degrees c and maybe i am wrong but that sounds quite low to me to be the thermal junction on this cpu being AMD pretty much always runs hot compared to Intel from all i have gathered is this normal or is something wrong here is the question or possibly could core temp be wrong for whatever reason. the other question is what kind of tests can i run on my pc to test if the CPU is on it's way out because that is kind of my suspicion. for context i have no bluescreen issues or posting issues at all. used windows memory diagnostic tool to test ram and all came back fine no issues. stress tested my GPU with AMD's stress test in the driver software and ran furmark and had no issues there.

FULL SPECS OF THE PC
Ryzen 7 2700x (defused in china) not that this should matter the standards should be the same for all factories
Asus ROG X470F gaming motherboard (just updated the bios to the 6505 bios 2023) thought it was a b350f
32 gb ddr4 hyperx ram (3200mhz) and is set to this in bios
Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 (8gb gddr5)
also have 3 ssd's and one mechanical hdd connected via sata
the main windows SSD 500gb is silicon power not sure exact model off hand
the others are just raw storage for games and files
sandisk ssd 1tb
crutial ssd 2tb
seagate hdd 2tb

any suggestion would be great as of now i just can't afford to replace parts or build a new pc

I don't know where the folks at Core Temp get their information but AMD officially rates the 2700X CPU with a max operating temp, or Tjmax, of 85C.

When a CPU starts to fail it either goes completely or you'll get BSOD's and crashes to desktop from heavy useage. It doesn't slow down unless the CPU's cooling is failing which prevents it from boosting as high or as often as it did previously. If you haven't yet, open up the case and thoroughly dust out everything, especially the fins of the CPU cooler. Also check that all the case fans are operating properly and not clogged with dust coated blades.

About the only thing you should consider buying is an upgraded cooler if you are using the original stock cooler the CPU came with.

Another consideration is the system SSD. If it's over about 70% full SSD's can start slowing down because of the way they operate. This can be especially pronounced if it's an NVME.

 

[drea.drechsler]

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Just had to go through memory lane to look at the max temps acceptable by the processor, it's 105 Deg C. What sort of voltages are you seeing in BIOS for the CPU?
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mmm...I believe your memory might have Tjmax confused with TDP in this case...

 

[chilipepperhead]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

Asus ROG X470F gaming motherboard (just updated the bios to the 6505 bios 2023) thought it was a b350f
Did you clear the CMOS after you'd verified that the BIOS was successfully updated to the latest version?

Just had to go through memory lane to look at the max temps acceptable by the processor, it's 105 Deg C. What sort of voltages are you seeing in BIOS for the CPU?

Make and model of you PSU and it's age? How are you cooling that processor?

no i actually didn't clear the cmos but i will do this tonight, also last night i reinstalled windows just to rule out any kind of corruption of windows itself, just cleaned the cpu and gpu about 2 days ago fresh thermal paste (thermal grizzly) on both cpu and gpu, cleaned up the motherboard had a nice little dust bunny hiding in one of the smaller pcie ports, swapped in my nvme from my laptop to test if it was possibly ssd or windows and i did see slight frame rate improvement but recording still not working like it used to. i will take it apart again to clear cmos and give you the exact model of all drives and as for the psu it is a corsair G2 supernova 1000w and is roughly 5 years old as is the cpu, gpu and motherboard the drives are about 2 years old, swiched the main drive over to the nvme from my laptop and fresh windows install still the same so i dont think its the hard drive

 

[chilipepperhead]

I don't know where the folks at Core Temp get their information but AMD officially rates the 2700X CPU with a max operating temp, or Tjmax, of 85C.

When a CPU starts to fail it either goes completely or you'll get BSOD's and crashes to desktop from heavy useage. It doesn't slow down unless the CPU's cooling is failing which prevents it from boosting as high or as often as it did previously. If you haven't yet, open up the case and thoroughly dust out everything, especially the fins of the CPU cooler. Also check that all the case fans are operating properly and not clogged with dust coated blades.

About the only thing you should consider buying is an upgraded cooler if you are using the original stock cooler the CPU came with.

Another consideration is the system SSD. If it's over about 70% full SSD's can start slowing down because of the way they operate. This can be especially pronounced if it's an NVME.

i am running the stock cooler and never really seen it go above 70 degrees c even under a heavy load same with the gpu. i did swap drives the other night and fresh install of windows went from the ssd to an nvme from my laptop i will give exact models later on about to open it up and get the models and clear the cmos as i completely forgot the other night after updating the bios

 

[chilipepperhead]

the main windows drive is a 1tb silicon power A60 NVMe
my 2tb games drive is crucial bx500
my 1tb games drive is a sandisk sdssdh3-1t00
the old windows drive is a silicon power a55
the power supply is a corsair supernova G2 1000w

cmos i cleared now only bios change i made was to set the memory speed to 3200mhz from the default 29 something because AMD prefers 3200mhz the ram is in daul channel as well didn't mention that before

since reinstalling window i no longer get lag in windows when trying to game and record but i still get laggy videos at the same setting i always used in obs

rec format mkv
encoder AMD HW H.264(AVC)
constant bitrate
bitrate 7000
keyframe intervals 2s
preset quality
profile high
max b frames 2

recording at 1080p 60fps

and for the record i am recording COD Black Ops 2 on the highest setting something i had no issues with ever in the past with all the same settings and shouldn't the game is 11 years old and can run on a computer from the stone age. i just don't see why it's acting up. i have tried everything possible.
also have the newest AMD graphics software Pro version and AMD chipset drivers installed.

 

[chilipepperhead]

mmm...I believe your memory might have Tjmax confused with TDP in this case...

i will go in bios and take notes of the voltages. i forgot to when i was just in there. going to check now

 

[chilipepperhead]

okay so i went into bios the core voltage is reading 1.425
mem voltage is 1.200, bclk freq 100.00mhz not sure if you need this but took it down anyway. any settings in bios i should change from defaults i usually dont mess with the bios at all. above 4g decoding was disabled i enabled it just now not sure if it's something i should worry about. duno about resize bar support either. but if you guys have any bios suggestions you think may be useful to me let me know. i will change them.

 

[drea.drechsler]

okay so i went into bios the core voltage is reading 1.425
mem voltage is 1.200, bclk freq 100.00mhz not sure if you need this but took it down anyway. any settings in bios i should change from defaults i usually dont mess with the bios at all. above 4g decoding was disabled i enabled it just now not sure if it's something i should worry about. duno about resize bar support either. but if you guys have any bios suggestions you think may be useful to me let me know. i will change them.

The stock Wraith cooler is just barely adequate for the CPU so expect it to reach for it's 85C Tjmax during extremely heavy workloads and even then with a screaming loud fan speed. Putting a better heatsink on it could do wonders.

Leave CPU voltage settings in AUTO if not trying to overclock. Even if your memory is running at 3200 by enabling XMP I'd suggest manually setting the mem voltage to the value shown on the package, probably something like 1.35V. Leave bclk in AUTO setting for 100 Mhz.

I'm pretty sure that AMD Smart Access Memory (SAM), which needs Resizeable bar and above 4G decoding enabled, doesn't work with RX580's (Polaris) GPU's so I don't think it matters should you leave it disabled. You can see if it's available by checking in the Radeon Settings app, Performance tab, tuning.

 

[chilipepperhead]

The stock Wraith cooler is just barely adequate for the CPU so expect it to reach for it's 85C Tjmax during extremely heavy workloads and even then with a screaming loud fan speed. Putting a better heatsink on it could do wonders.

Leave CPU voltage settings in AUTO if not trying to overclock. Even if your memory is running at 3200 by enabling XMP I'd suggest manually setting the mem voltage to the value shown on the package, probably something like 1.35V. Leave bclk in AUTO setting for 100 Mhz.

I'm pretty sure that AMD Smart Access Memory (SAM), which needs Resizeable bar and above 4G decoding enabled, doesn't work with RX580's (Polaris) GPU's so I don't think it matters should you leave it disabled. You can see if it's available by checking in the Radeon Settings app, Performance tab, tuning.

okay i will check for xmp but im positive my motherboard bios has no xmp setting, i will get a new cooler as soon as i can but in the 5 years i had this machine i have never seen it reach 85. also no voltage changes where made i left it all on auto, only change i made was to the ram clock speed to set it to the proper 3200 from my bios default of 2933 that it chose for whatever reason when set to auto.

 

[chilipepperhead]

The stock Wraith cooler is just barely adequate for the CPU so expect it to reach for it's 85C Tjmax during extremely heavy workloads and even then with a screaming loud fan speed. Putting a better heatsink on it could do wonders.

Leave CPU voltage settings in AUTO if not trying to overclock. Even if your memory is running at 3200 by enabling XMP I'd suggest manually setting the mem voltage to the value shown on the package, probably something like 1.35V. Leave bclk in AUTO setting for 100 Mhz.

I'm pretty sure that AMD Smart Access Memory (SAM), which needs Resizeable bar and above 4G decoding enabled, doesn't work with RX580's (Polaris) GPU's so I don't think it matters should you leave it disabled. You can see if it's available by checking in the Radeon Settings app, Performance tab, tuning.

should i possibly look into water cooling or do you think it's really worth it?, i do plan to just build a whole new pc when i can afford to start buying parts but still planning to keep this one as i put a lot of time into it over the years. also should i consider overclocking the gpu, i tried the auto tuning in amd's software before and really seen no difference that stood out at the auto oc of 1492mhz it gave me never really checked frame rates tho but playing games seemed about the same as the stock 1411 or whatever it is.

 

[drea.drechsler]

okay i will check for xmp but im positive my motherboard bios has no xmp setting,...

On Asus motherboards it's called DOCP, not XMP. Manually setting the clock alone is risky as enabling DOCP (XMP) also sets compatible timings for the RAM to be stable.

As with most things there's a raging debate between the camps (air vs liquid cooling) but I think it's worth it. It's extremely quiet and a lot easier to install (IMO) than one of the huge dual tower heatsinks. But if I already had one of those huge dual towers installed and working well I'd not change out for one. The problem is, getting an air-cooled tower heatsink to work properly can be tricky if the GPU is exhausting it's hot air into it's intake.

 

[chilipepperhead]

On Asus motherboards it's called DOCP, not XMP. Manually setting the clock alone is risky as enabling DOCP (XMP) also sets compatible timings for the RAM to be stable.

As with most things there's a raging debate between the camps (air vs liquid cooling) but I think it's worth it. It's extremely quiet and a lot easier to install (IMO) than one of the huge dual tower heatsinks. But if I already had one of those huge dual towers installed and working well I'd not change out for one. The problem is, getting an air-cooled tower heatsink to work properly can be tricky if the GPU is exhausting it's hot air into it's intake.

oh okay ill look at docp then maybe that is an issue, i think i did see that somewhere but didn't know what it was for so i left it alone, im not sure how a tower would fair in my case the gpu exhaust down but its also a glass case does have a lot of airflow though. i think when i start on building a new pc i want to make a custom water loop. is there any suggestions or tips for making a custom loop that i should think about first. i do know to always test it out of system first in the event of leaks.

 

[chilipepperhead]

set docp, saw a setting called preformace enhancer what is this for i left it alone just curious the options are default, level 1, level 2.

 

[drea.drechsler]

... i think when i start on building a new pc i want to make a custom water loop. is there any suggestions or tips ...

I've only built with AIO's and am not really interested in custom cooling. They can look really nice if done well but don't provide enough cooling improvement for Ryzen processors (unless extreme overclocking) to be worth the effort. Custom loops require good maintenance: mainly draining the loop and flushing it every 6 months to inhibit biologicals. And the awesome dyed fluids don't last, they fade and look ugly in a few months so need replacement too. The hard part about building it is tube bending, so buy more than you need and practice making bends first. Also, watch a few of the many you-tube videos showing you how it's done. A guy with a channel called JayzTwoCents has some really good content on that, with many tips and traps.

I saw the "Performance Enhancer" setting on my Asus board...I think all it does is enable a few obscure BIOS settings. You can try it to see if it matters but only if you do not also make any other settings changes such as enabling PBO or trying a manual overclock of the CPU.

 

[chilipepperhead]

I've only built with AIO's and am not really interested in custom cooling. They can look really nice if done well but don't provide enough cooling improvement for Ryzen processors (unless extreme overclocking) to be worth the effort. Custom loops require good maintenance: mainly draining the loop and flushing it every 6 months to inhibit biologicals. And the awesome dyed fluids don't last, they fade and look ugly in a few months so need replacement too. The hard part about building it is tube bending, so buy more than you need and practice making bends first. Also, watch a few of the many you-tube videos showing you how it's done. A guy with a channel called JayzTwoCents has some really good content on that, with many tips and traps.

I saw the "Performance Enhancer" setting on my Asus board...I think all it does is enable a few obscure BIOS settings. You can try it to see if it matters but only if you do not also make any other settings changes such as enabling PBO or trying a manual overclock of the CPU.

oh okay, i will probably just go with an aio then just because it sounds like way too much maintaining for little to no reward any suggestions on a good quality aio that i wont have to worry about corrosion or leaking due to poor quality. i never used aio's in the past always air cooling.

 

[punkncat]

In my own experience with a 2700X, which I sold something on a year ago now (I think), I had all manner of crazy issues with it off and on until I took a chance at actually bricking it with a BIOS update beyond what the motherboard manufacturer suggested for the CPU. I am NOT recommending you do that, just stating what eventually worked for this particular system.

With this particular system, if the CPU even considered getting high 70's to 80C it would shut down. I went with an AIO which kept load temps around 50C and that issue resolved. I had such a hard time with it being reliable that I actually ended up with a complete other build trying to chase issues that just weren't making sense. Funny enough, I stuck a 1300 in that build and a friend is still using it with no issues to this day. I did a fresh install for him a couple of weeks ago due to a bad update issue where he lost power during one.

Where it is never a great idea to consider just throwing parts at a build when you don't have a clear issue being solved by said...in this case, I think I would look at available BIOS updates for your motherboard and consider moving up to the 5600 or better. The 3000 series, and in particular the 3600, has been plagued with some strange issues that keep coming up on the YT tech channels and where AMD themselves haven't come out and said it, there is a problem with those failing for unknown reason. In particular not only Greg Salazar has some content about this, Bry over at Tech Yes, and Steve at GN have specifically mentioned it, among others.

Good luck in your journey to solve this problem. Nothing worse than chasing a ghost around your system.

 

[drea.drechsler]

oh okay, i will probably just go with an aio then just because it sounds like way too much maintaining for little to no reward any suggestions on a good quality aio that i wont have to worry about corrosion or leaking due to poor quality. i never used aio's in the past always air cooling.

I like the Bequiet Pureloop 240mm I have on my 5800X and a very cheap ID Cooling 120mm on my son's 3700X system. I also used a Cooler Master LM-240 for over 5 years on a Ryzen 1700 that was upgraded to 3700X system before moving the motherboard/cpu into a case too small for it. All of these performed well with no problems, neither leaks or cooling performance degradation. I prefer the lower cost of the plain models but you can also go for the RGB models. There's even one with a display panel on the water block that can display animated GIF's of your choosing. But the more RGB and eye candy you add the more costly costly they are, with no added cooling performance.

Leaking is very rare with modern AIO's: it's the early cooling degradation that can be an issue. Some mfr's do a poor job of cleaning out the radiator to neutralize chemicals after soldering it which is the source of a gel-like build up that clogs the fins of the water block. MSI has had problems with this in the past.

 

[chilipepperhead]

In my own experience with a 2700X, which I sold something on a year ago now (I think), I had all manner of crazy issues with it off and on until I took a chance at actually bricking it with a BIOS update beyond what the motherboard manufacturer suggested for the CPU. I am NOT recommending you do that, just stating what eventually worked for this particular system.

With this particular system, if the CPU even considered getting high 70's to 80C it would shut down. I went with an AIO which kept load temps around 50C and that issue resolved. I had such a hard time with it being reliable that I actually ended up with a complete other build trying to chase issues that just weren't making sense. Funny enough, I stuck a 1300 in that build and a friend is still using it with no issues to this day. I did a fresh install for him a couple of weeks ago due to a bad update issue where he lost power during one.

Where it is never a great idea to consider just throwing parts at a build when you don't have a clear issue being solved by said...in this case, I think I would look at available BIOS updates for your motherboard and consider moving up to the 5600 or better. The 3000 series, and in particular the 3600, has been plagued with some strange issues that keep coming up on the YT tech channels and where AMD themselves haven't come out and said it, there is a problem with those failing for unknown reason. In particular not only Greg Salazar has some content about this, Bry over at Tech Yes, and Steve at GN have specifically mentioned it, among others.

Good luck in your journey to solve this problem. Nothing worse than chasing a ghost around your system.

thank you for this info, i actually never knew these had any kind of issues like that. I did update the bios to the latest version also a fresh install of windows just to rule out windows as the issue but still recording unreliably.

funny thing is i had this pc 5 years with no issues til about a month ago, i do every couple months go in and clean up the dust and this last time put on new thermal paste on both CPU and GPU (thermal grizzly) this was after i started having issues and no change. i really does have me stumped, as i said before no bsod, no graphical issues, no freezing or random crashes just causes my recordings that worked fine before to lag terribly, i did have an issue with windows lagging when i tab out of a game like modern warfare 2 2022 and even older games but this resolved after a new windows install and setting the framerate to 165 to match my monitors refresh rate, still acts up when recording on old games like black ops 2 that never at all had issues being played and recorded at the same time. think i may just start buying parts and build a new rig tho this one is old and is starting to be unable to walk and chew gum at the same time.