[SOLVED] Ryzen 7 3700x or i5-11400F?

[FoxInFlames]

I'm looking for a cpu that will suit my needs and i have arrived to these two, I'll only use the CPU for gaming and running virtualboxes (like ubuntu) and emulators (for PS3, the PSP and stuff), so i like the ability of overclocking and the 8 cores of 3700x, but then again the 11400F is faster in single core counts, so i need help deciding for either of them.
The games I'll play (but am not limited to) are

1. Final fantasy XV
2. Assassin's creed Valhalla/Odyssey/Unity/Syndicate
3. Forza horizon 5
4. eSports like rocket league and Valorant
5. Minecraft (with raytracing and around 18 chunks?)
6. Quantum Break
7. Control

So, what will suit me more, the 8 cores or the 6 faster ones?

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

i wouldn't choose either of them for a current gaming build and many times others will find you much better options.
so how about supplying us with your actual budget instead of just these two processors you're looking at.
and considering that you will require a motherboard and possibly other components;
also include all of your current components' make & models and their time in use.

 

[FoxInFlames]

i wouldn't choose either of them for a current gaming build and many times others will find you much better options.
so how about supplying us with your actual budget instead of just these two processors you're looking at.
and considering that you will require a motherboard and possibly other components;
also include all of your current components' make & models and their time in use.

My budget is limited to 2000 USD, basically I'm considering two builds, one is AMD, other is nvidia + intel.

The AMD one:-
Ryzen 7 3700x
RX 6700XT [the gigabyte eagle OC version]
Gigabyte B450 aorus elite
16 GB 3200Mhz [brand is undecided, maybe Corsair or adata, or crucial]

The intel+nVidia one:-
I5 11400F
RTX 3070 [the gigabyte gaming OC version]
Gigabyte B560M aorus elite
16 GB 3200Mhz

I'm basically aiming for 1080p 144 Hz in AAA titles with this build, along with the usage i stated above.

 

[FoxInFlames]

I'm currently deciding the PSU, but I'll most probably get one with 650W of power and 80+ bronze, the GP P650B, the Corsair CX650M or the cooler master G700

 

[FoxInFlames]

Oh, and i don't have a current build, it's a laptop ims using right now, an i5 9300H and a GTX 1650 with 16 GB 2666 MHz of ram

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

planning on using Ray Tracing for the future is one reason to go with Nvidia RTX over AMD RX.
AMD still isn't supporting RT as well as they should with very large drops in fps vs equivalent Nvidia cards.

the AMD Ryzen 7 series also pales in comparison to Intel Core 12th gen in regards to gaming.
i would totally skip Intel 11th gen since the 12th gen equivalent is only ~$30 more.

the majority of RTX 3070 series cards require a 750w power supply
and many of the RX 6700 XT only require 650w, but it varies between specific models.
just deciding "80+ Bronze" doesn't really mean much. there are many lower quality models out there that do not really follow standard guidelines for rating. you should stick with higher tiered models determined by in depth stressing & testing.
one good guide for quality comparison:

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if going for an AMD system you will also want to use at least 3600MHz CL16 memory to get the best out of their chips.
Intel seems to show similar results using either 3200MHz CL14 vs 3600MHz CL16,
but AMD really benefits from higher speed RAM.

 

[FoxInFlames]

planning on using Ray Tracing for the future is one reason to go with Nvidia RTX over AMD RX.
AMD still isn't supporting RT as well as they should with very large drops in fps vs equivalent Nvidia cards.

I don't need raytracing in games, maybe in minecraft, but it isn't a breaking point for me.

That makes me go for the 6700XT, but along with that I'd like to get an AMD CPU too (so that i could reap that smart access memory, obv you can do with resizable BAR, but I'd like to get an all out AMD), so I'm stuck at that

Also, when it comes to PSU, i use the PSU calculator by outervision to check how much i need, i decided the 650W using that.

if going for an AMD system you will also want to use at least 3600MHz CL16 memory to get the best out of their chips.

I think i can do that, maybe with the Corsair vengeance LPX series

 

[FoxInFlames]

Say, the RTX 3060 ti is cheaper here, than the 6700XT, should i go for that? I saw some benchmarks and i see they are almost similar performance-wise

 

[FoxInFlames]

would totally skip Intel 11th gen since the 12th gen equivalent is only ~$30 more.

Have no choice here, there is only one gigabyte B660 motherboard here, and that's a third of my budget, so I'll have to go with the 11400F until things change around here.

 

[Karadjgne]

Cpu isn't all that important for virtual boxes, as long as it has cores it can dedicate to the process, it's good. What's more important is the ram. 16Gb can be an issue if trying to run more than 2 or so, depending on actual usage, you'd be better off with 32Gb. Figure 8Gb for the Master and @ 4Gb per average use VB.

I'd also not choose any F squ Intel, better to go with the standard non-F. The amount of posts with 'no signal' is staggering atm. And that applies somewhat evenly with the amd and nvidia cards.

 

[FoxInFlames]

4Gb per average use VB.

This will fit me, i guess, because i don't do any sophisticated work, it's just college projects which might get half-demanding later on (?)

Anyways i think I'll go with 8 cores, because of several reasons (i have an itch for an AMD build, i want to see what Smart access memory does, the RX 6700XT has 12 GB VRAM, the Ryzen is overclockable and so on)

 

[FoxInFlames]

Well, no, it fell straiiiight out of my budget

 

[FoxInFlames]

Well, guess best i can do is as i5 11400 with a 3060 ti for now, that's fine

 

[Nighthawk117]

My budget is limited to 2000 USD, basically I'm considering two builds, one is AMD, other is nvidia + intel.

The AMD one:-
Ryzen 7 3700x
RX 6700XT [the gigabyte eagle OC version]
Gigabyte B450 aorus elite
16 GB 3200Mhz [brand is undecided, maybe Corsair or adata, or crucial]

The intel+nVidia one:-
I5 11400F
RTX 3070 [the gigabyte gaming OC version]
Gigabyte B560M aorus elite
16 GB 3200Mhz

I'm basically aiming for 1080p 144 Hz in AAA titles with this build, along with the usage i stated above.

The 11400F will drive 144hz better, Smart Access Memory also works on intel:

Benchmarking AMD Smart Access Memory on Intel's Z490 Chipset - Legit Reviews

ASUS has released support for Re-Size BAR in their latest BIOS for Intel Z490 motherboards. This means you can now enjoy AMD Smart Access Memory on Intel.

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However the 3700X uses a lot less power than the 11400F and would be a better choice for multi-tasking.

 

[FoxInFlames]

However the 3700X uses a lot less power than the 11400F and would be a better choice for multi-tasking

To be honest, i don't multitask very much, at most i will have a firefox tab loaded up with a walkthrough of the game i am playing and streaming over a friend's server on discord, not much more than that, even my 9300H kind of handles that (not nicely though, i have to turn the eye candy down from high to medium-low to maintain 59-52 fps), so i think the 11400F will be the better choice here?

 

[Nighthawk117]

For streaming I would use the video encoder on the GPU. Both of them are very different beasts to the 9300H. Up until Ryzen 5000 Intel has generally been better at high refresh rate gaming, however AMD caught up significantly with Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000).

In terms of the games you mention, Assassin's Creed tends to run a little better on Intel. However I think you would struggle to tell the difference between the two on anything on that list to be honest. You might find something like Battlefield 5 for example a bit better on the Intel, but Battlefield 2042 about the same.

I've used Ryzen 1000, 2000, 3000, I would say you can tell Intel is better with the first two. 3000 though is pretty solid, I guess thinking about it, they are going to be so close you might as well pick which colour you want.

 

[FoxInFlames]

Well, i was confused somewhat, you see, on one hand the i5 11400F is a very nicely priced CPU with not-so-expensive motherboards and the chance to make a decent build.

On the other hand you have 8 cores, overclockability and even cheaper b450 motherboards [not to mention that beautiful wraith prism : p]

But I'll go with the 11400F, I'd have gone with the 3700X (or probably even higher like the 3800XT) if i already had a b450 motherboard, but the 11400F + aorus b560m elite fall in with around the same price to that of the 3700X, it just fits in with the budget.

Thank you for your time, everyone.

 

[Karadjgne]

Forget about overclock ability as a criteria. With what both Intel and Amd are doing with their cpus nowadays, the extra 5ish% performance gained from OC is a moot point.

Most ppl with a clue don't OC a Ryzen, they undervolt and allow the Ryzen to be a Ryzen. Dynamic, not static like an intel.

OC is a hobby. Not a necessity.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

i use the PSU calculator by outervision to check how much i need, i decided the 650W using that.

the amount of wattage a PSU has available has nothing to do with reliability,
so do not just grab the cheapest 650w you find to fit your budget.

and most PSU calculators are not figuring in the model of graphics card you are using.
they would be based on FE models the majority of the time which tend to use less wattage than most 3rd party models.

whichever card you go with check what that particular model requires for power.
from RX 6600 > RTX 3090 the requirement varies slightly depending on each manufacturer's model's particular shroud/fans, OC editions, and other factors.

Have no choice here, there is only one gigabyte B660 motherboard here

where are you residing that there is only a single model of motherboard available in the entire surrounding location or available for delivery to that location?

 

[Karadjgne]

I run an OC 2070Super with a 3700x with full custom loop on a 600w psu. Granted it's a Platinum rated SFX, not much bigger than a couple of packs of cigarettes, but there's no issues at all with power requirements. For a amd 3070/6700xt or lesser build a good 550w - 650w is plenty, but the emphasis is on Good, not the wattage. Cheap psus lie. It's that simple.

They'll say 650w, but generally only put out half that (somewhat reliably) and anything over half is a gamble as to when you start seeing magic smoke. They'll also include the 5v and 3.3v and 5vVsb rails in that mix, which is where the lie comes in.

And gets exasperated by the craptastic lack of protections and lousy voltage regulation. DCV is supposed to be as close to a straight voltage as possible, most cheap psus have a voltage output that looks more like AC than DC.

 

[LeviTech]

Why not the 12700?

 

[FoxInFlames]

Why not the 12700?

where are you residing that there is only a single model of motherboard available in the entire surrounding location or available for delivery to that location?

I hail from India and is trying to make an aorus build, the only motherboard here from gigabyte is B660 aorus master, which is way too expensive.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

I hail from India and is trying to make an aorus build

hard to believe that an entire country or Southwest-Asian continent only has two Gigabyte boards available through all of it's online or brick & mortar retailers.

also Gigabyte isn't a very highly regarded manufacturer anymore these days.
if you haven't already started this build; i would recommend going with MSI, AsRock, or even ASUS before Gigabyte.

if you do go with overall Gigabyte make sure to avoid the majority of their power supplies, they only make a couple reliable models.

 

[FoxInFlames]

if you do go with overall Gigabyte make sure to avoid the majority of their power supplies, they only make a couple reliable models.

I decided to go along with a Corsair CX650M for the PSU, also, i have seen other ones too, but MSI's RTX 3060 ti gaming Z trio is more expensive than the gigabyte 3060 ti gaming OC (by around 80 USD), and the Asus (both tuf and Rog) go way heavier on the wallet.

Tbh india is an underwhelming place to live in if you're deciding to make a build :/, we don't have many options to choose from, many options for graphics cards like ASrock are not available here (believe me, NO ASrock GPU can be found on Amazon except the challenger D 6700XT), things are overpriced (the B660 I was talking about is a third of my budget), and we don't have stores from best buy and the like around here.

The Aorus is the most feasible here, otherwise I'd have gone with MSI in the blink of an eye.

But yeah, the PSU can be of any brand, the chassis I'm going for has a shroud, it isn't going to be visible anyways.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

Corsair CX650M

the CXm series is also very low quality.
i wouldn't even trust it with a basic browser or office system.
considering that components are so hard to come by you do not want to risk frying them all with this type of power supply.

some help determining a reliable option:

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PSU Tier List 4.0 rev. 14.8 (outdated) Last Update: 12-07-2021 Legend : Gray - EoL/obsolete and/or otherwise not recommended for purchase. Green - small form-factor (gold and blue colors are disregarded due to scarcity of SFX PSUs) Gold - best units in the tier (includes requirements for blue...

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