[SOLVED] Ryzen 7 3700X , Ryzen 7 2700X or Ryzen 5 3600X ?

[Astralv]

Building gaming PC on a budget for my son. He is experienced in Steam and Minecraft, and currently using Haswell 4770K build. I was hoping to fit everything EXCLUDING graphics card under $600, but afraid it is not possible because we do not want to spend $600 and get no satisfaction. I am committed Intel user, we built 4 systems with Intel and never built with AMD. I would build with Intel but they let us down.

Intel Core i7-9700K
Pros: Great gaming performance • Eight cores excel in parallelized workloads • Strong single-threaded performance thanks to high Turbo Boost clock rates • Solder TIM improves thermal transfer
Cons: No bundled cooler • No Hyper-Threading Technology (What in the world????)

According to Tom's at about $100 less with an in-box cooler AMD’s Ryzen 7 2700X is arguably a better value for gamers on a tight budget.

So I am looking at AMD Ryzen 7 2700X AMD50 Gold Edition 3.7 GHz (4.3 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 YD270XBGAFA50 Desktop Processor Golden Edition at 227$.
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-...81619-P-_-ProcessorsDesktops-_-19113102-S1A1A

Should I go with it, or should I wait and save and get
AMD - Ryzen 7 3700X Octa-Core 3.6 GHz Desktop Processor?

What about AMD Ryzen 5 3600X? It says
Architecture: Zen 2 | Socket: AM4 | Cores/Threads: 6/12 | Base Frequency: 3.8GHz | Top Boost Frequency: 4.4GHz | TDP: 95W

Pros: Leading gaming and application performance • PCIe 4.0 • Bundled cooler • Power consumption • Unlocked multiplier

Cons: Requires expensive X570 motherboard for PCIe 4.0 • Extremely limited manual and auto-overclocking headroom

Ryzen 5 3600X regularly beat the more expensive Core i5-9600K in both categories, albeit by slim margins in gaming

Looks like Intel Core i7-9700K out of question due to No bundled cooler • No Hyper-Threading Technology

So Ryzen 7 3700X at 329$, Ryzen 7 2700X at 229$ or Ryzen 5 3600X at 250$?

Thank you.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Wow, the price of that 2700X Gold Edition is incredible.

However, even the Ryzen 5 3600 is a little faster than the 2700X in gaming because of the improved IPC (Instructions Per Cycle) of the new Ryzen 3000 series.

A misconception is that X570 is required for Ryzen 3000. Some B450 and X470 motherboards have a new feature called BIOS Flashback, which allows you to update the BIOS without a CPU. You would simply put the downloaded BIOS onto a flash drive and insert it following the instructions in the user manual.

Is your son live-streaming his games? That would be the only reason I would see to upgrade from the i7-4770K considering you will have to buy this upgrade for him.

If live-streaming is involved, I would go with at least an 8-core CPU, preferably the 3700X or better.

List of (B350, B450, X370, and X470) motherboards with USB BIOS Flashback

 

[Astralv]

He says- he occasionally livestreams games. We need 2nd computer because 1st will stay at his grandmother's house. We moving out and he won't move without computer in a new place. He would have computer in a shower if he could

I read an article where it says- X470 motherboards were downgraded by I think Gigabyte with new BIOS and they not support PCIE 4. Also- are we already on PCIE 4, or is it only available option with compatible devices coming in the future? X570 also very expansive. We need WiFi version and everything is close to 300$, which would eat the entire budget.

 

[DMAN999]

Personally I would get a Ryzen 7 2700x with a good X470 motherboard because the BIOS for the 3000 series CPUs are ALL still buggy.
A 2700x on a X470 MB with a BIOS using AGESA 1.0.0.6 will be very Stable and perform well.
And with a good X470 MB you could always upgrade in a year or 2 to a 3700x or even 3900x if/when he feels the PC is not fast enough anymore.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

PCIE 4.0 is only available on X570 with Ryzen 3000 right now.

 

[Astralv]

I don't see how upgrading motherboard can make computer faster. Unless you can take advantage of PCIE 4 or more lines for more drives. I don't think gaming requires that many drives. Do we have graphics cards that can take advantage of PCIE 4? What else is it good for? Would not affect memory or M.2 performance...

 

[mdd1963]

3700 or 3700X looks like the good spot to be in..reasonably priced, 8c/16t, performance rivaling/exceeding 8700K, which is hardly a bad place to be in...

If budget it very tight, even the 'entry level' 3600 does pretty darn well, IMO...

 

[Dlaing]

I use a AMD ryzen 5 2600x 4.0ghz OC, msi x470, 8gb ram, and a rx570 4gb OC, and I am able to play games like bo3 and jc2 in 1080p with no problem. The whole setup is 600$ 350& for all parts listed above. I'd recommend the 2600x without a stock cooler.

 

[Astralv]

Ok, let me take this back- this makes me excited, but this is not budget solution. Is Corsair the only PCIE4 M.2 drive or is there Samsung too? https://www.newegg.com/corsair-force-mp600-1tb/p/N82E16820236548

 

[DMAN999]

Higher quality motherboards tend to have better VRMs which allows faster CPUs run better.
They also tend to support faster RAM which will help if/when you run a Ryzen 3000 series CPU.
As I stated above, I would get your son a Good Quality X470 motherboard with the 2700x you linked to and a 16 GB (2X8GB) kit of the fastest RAM 3200 or 3600 MHz) supported by the motherboard you choose.
As far as PCIe 4.0, I would not bother worrying about that.
nvme m.2 PCIe drives are more than fast enough.
I personally have multiple standard SSDs and an m.2 SATA SSD and I don't feel the need to get even an nvme PCIe SSD at this point.