AMD's forthcoming Ryzen 7 7700X shows up in new single-and multi-threaded benchmarks.
Ryzen 7 7700X Edges Past Core i9-12900K In New Benchmark : Read more
Ryzen 7 7700X Edges Past Core i9-12900K In New Benchmark : Read more
I feel there is no need to rely on these grey benchmark results now. The chips will officially be available soon and we should just stick with more transparent testing results. But the sense is that Zen 4 is going to be competitive to Raptor Lake. Ultimately, I guess it just boils down to cost or whether people are looking for upgradability. I guess outgoing platforms like the Intel 600 series chipset is likely going to be cheaper and allows the use of DDR4 (which lowers cost), but it also seems that Raptor Lake is going to be the last CPU that uses LGA1700.
tbf AM5 likely have bugs like AM4 had.c (its nto a ryzen cpu if it doesnt have buggy bios at launch)So their still unreleased part is still slower on a per-core level than the current Intel lineup? Nice work guys.
And be unable to make full use out of your chip, as with Ryzen? I'm sorry, but to me it just doesn't make sense to slap a brand new CPU on a 5 year old board. It might for people with tighter budgets, but let's be frank here. Those people won't be able to afford dropping 800-1000 bucks on CPU, MB, and RAM at the same time initially, or even more. DDR5 is still overpriced, the CPUs cost quite a bit as well, and the MBs won't be cheap, either. And at the lower end, the boards might not even be able to support newer chips like with the current socket.I feel the same. For people that are buying all-new and plan to upgrade in a couple years, AMD will be preferable due to AM5. For people upgrading with current LGA1700 setup Intel will be obvious choice. For everyone else it will be mostly personal preference or what the sales person throws at them. I expect new systems with comparable specs & features (PCIe 5.0, DDR5, ...) to both cost and perform close enough that most people won't notice or care.
It's nice that somebody remembers that the upgrade path for AM4 wasn't perfect. Or free. Buying cpus more frequently can cost more or less money than buying a cpu + motherboard less frequently. And the AM5 platform is already a bit dated how it is 95% last year's lga 1700.And be unable to make full use out of your chip, as with Ryzen? I'm sorry, but to me it just doesn't make sense to slap a brand new CPU on a 5 year old board. It might for people with tighter budgets, but let's be frank here. Those people won't be able to afford dropping 800-1000 bucks on CPU, MB, and RAM at the same time initially, or even more. DDR5 is still overpriced, the CPUs cost quite a bit as well, and the MBs won't be cheap, either. And at the lower end, the boards might not even be able to support newer chips like with the current socket.
It's a nice feature in theory, but nothing more to me.
Multicore isn't using the 8 e-cores on the 12900k, only 16 threads. It does show that SMT performs a bit better than HT though. Hopefully they find a fix for squip.For those who can't understand:
i9-12900K is the top Intel processor with 8 Performance and 8 Efficiency cores (16 in total) at 125W TDP and 241W MTP
Ryzen 7 7700X is the 3rd strongest processor of Zen4 lineup with only 8 cores (all performance) at 105W TDP
I am not even mentioning the pricing of the processor or the motherboard.
Just remember that the stronger AMD processor is the 7950X with 16 cores and 170W TDP and believe me, the top i9-12900K doesn't stand a chance against it...
This wasn't any official bench so it's not sure if it was running at 105W (142W actual) we don't know if and how much they are overclockable and if it was overclocked or at official 105W clocks.For those who can't understand:
i9-12900K is the top Intel processor with 8 Performance and 8 Efficiency cores (16 in total) at 125W TDP and 241W MTP
Ryzen 7 7700X is the 3rd strongest processor of Zen4 lineup with only 8 cores (all performance) at 105W TDP
I am not even mentioning the pricing of the processor or the motherboard.
Just remember that the stronger AMD processor is the 7950X with 16 cores and 170W TDP and believe me, the top i9-12900K doesn't stand a chance against it...
Agree with this, I'm routinely stunned at the people that want to put a 5900X or 5950X on a 300 series board with all the potential compatibility annoyances and limitations :/but to me it just doesn't make sense to slap a brand new CPU on a 5 year old board
I totally agree, yet you will see the fan boys support there intel chipsFor those who can't understand:
i9-12900K is the top Intel processor with 8 Performance and 8 Efficiency cores (16 in total) at 125W TDP and 241W MTP
Ryzen 7 7700X is the 3rd strongest processor of Zen4 lineup with only 8 cores (all performance) at 105W TDP
I am not even mentioning the pricing of the processor or the motherboard.
Just remember that the stronger AMD processor is the 7950X with 16 cores and 170W TDP and believe me, the top i9-12900K doesn't stand a chance against it...
I totally agree, yet you will see the fan boys support there intel chips
Last I checked the 12900k has 8 extra small cores.So their still unreleased part is still slower on a per-core level than the current Intel lineup? Nice work guys.
You could make similar arguments about Intel's new line up. The i7 13700K is faster than both the 12900K and the 7700X, also that benchmark has not demonstrated that the 8 cores of the 7700X are as fast as the 16 in the 12900K. I do think though that the 7950X will be the best all round CPU, but I also think that about the 5950X relative to the 12900K.For those who can't understand:
i9-12900K is the top Intel processor with 8 Performance and 8 Efficiency cores (16 in total) at 125W TDP and 241W MTP
Ryzen 7 7700X is the 3rd strongest processor of Zen4 lineup with only 8 cores (all performance) at 105W TDP
I am not even mentioning the pricing of the processor or the motherboard.
Just remember that the stronger AMD processor is the 7950X with 16 cores and 170W TDP and believe me, the top i9-12900K doesn't stand a chance against it...
I agree but it's also not even true.Edges Past is worthless metric for most
Yes, reviews and pricing for both sides I think. Should know soon enough.How about we wait for official reviews ?
And be unable to make full use out of your chip, as with Ryzen? I'm sorry, but to me it just doesn't make sense to slap a brand new CPU on a 5 year old board. It might for people with tighter budgets, but let's be frank here. Those people won't be able to afford dropping 800-1000 bucks on CPU, MB, and RAM at the same time initially, or even more. DDR5 is still overpriced, the CPUs cost quite a bit as well, and the MBs won't be cheap, either. And at the lower end, the boards might not even be able to support newer chips like with the current socket.
It's a nice feature in theory, but nothing more to me.
So either I somehow wrote in a different language than English, reading got exponentially harder all of a sudden, or you misunderstand what I said on purpose (or didn't read at all...), because I got a seriously hard time wrapping my head around where your problem even is. I kinda rule out one and two since I clearly wrote in English and others understood me, too. Anyways. Here we go.In theory? I'd rather look at practice. Sure AM4 wasn't perfect, but 43€ MSI A520M Pro has bios released on 2022-04-20 saying "Support AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D". Cheapest AM4 board.
Just a smidge more expensive at 50€, also "Supports Ryzen 7 5800X3D processor", GA-A320M-H, BIOS from 2022/06/24.
Sure there will be boards that never got support for ALL CPUs, sure it may happen again, but even so they eventually got more than equivalent Intel boards.
Oh, and these cheap boards still push basically same performance from these newer CPUs, that's what matters.
So if you buy board with good features, you won't lose in the future. Yes, when PCIe 6.0 comes, but that won't be next year. Or something similar that drastically changes landscape.