Info Ryzen 7000 fixes have actually made my new build better!

[CeltPC]

The Bios techs at Asus must be burning the midnight oil, as they already posted a new version, which is very unusual, take a look at the Bios releases and dates:

ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 1414 - 4/28/2023
ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 1413 - 4/27/2023
ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 1413 - 4/25/2023
ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS1409 - 4/21/2023
ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 1410 - 4/14/2023

Five Bios updates in 14 days is a blistering pace that is unlike anything I ever saw with my years with the Crosshair VI Hero MB. Asus and AMD are obviously taking the issue that some users have experienced across basically all the motherboard brands quite seriously and are fixing, tuning and tweaking away furiously.

"According to the AMD patch notes in Igor's report, both mechanisms had no effect on Ryzen 7000 CPUs with previous AGESA code updates. We don't know what this means exactly, but it seems like the SMU was allowing the CPU to go past TJmax at least a little bit and causing performance issues with the CPU below TJmax in some way.

Again, we don't know how extensive this issue has become. Still, nonetheless, it's a big enough issue for us to highly recommend all Ryzen 7000 users to upgrade their motherboard BIOS/UEFI to a version with AMD's AGESA ComboAM5 patch 1.0.7.0 as soon as possible. The firmware update also provides many other bug fixes, including improved boot times, deep sleep fixes, curve optimizer fixes, and a plethora of DDR5 memory bug fixes." - From TomsHardware

Generally the conventional advice on updating your Bios has been: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I have always tended to go for latest versions anyway, reasoning that they are not releasing an update just for the heck of it. Anyway I have once again flashed to the latest 1414 version, though expecting to perhaps seeing some performance decline given that they are trying to ensure volts and temps are more conservative and safer.

After going with "EXPO tweaked" and "AI Overclock" I did a little Cinebench benchmarking while monitoring with HWiNFO64. I was pleasantly surprised!

My Cinebench scores actually went up about 100 points on average (3168ish - not a big difference but notable that it was actually a gain). Meanwhile the SOC voltage went down from 1.335 to 1.28. Temperatures decreased as well, never exceeding 85.9 C. Given that my first stock results with this build were 2800 on Cinebench and temps in the 90's with thermal throttling, it's encouraging.

 

[sonofjesse]

Updated to 1413, but BOOT times are still slow with default settings 62 seconds (64GB) and 33 seconds for (32GB) machine. Exact SAME MB, RAM and BIOS versions.

Glad to see updates, hopefully AM5 will mature I really miss the 10 second boot times of the older systems.

 

[hellopeops]

So this is a known issue?

Recently assembled my pc, updated the BIOS and now the boot time takes forever! ugh; wish they'd fix this.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

it's encouraging.

Yeah the AMD haters have made it known that I should be optimistic about AM5 given the fact my cpu blew up on day 3... but it doesn't phase me at all. 🤣 🤣

Quite happy with the PC and looking forward to the road ahead.

 

[sonofjesse]

So this is a known issue?

Recently assembled my pc, updated the BIOS and now the boot time takes forever! ugh; wish they'd fix this.

Correct between TPM, AM5 memory settings, AM5 in general, yes been a known issue since AM5 came out and been all over the internet.

 

[Fourro]

Looks like ASUS is the first one to release BIOSes based on the new AGESA (1.0.0.7) that's supposed to fix all those protections that had been malfunctioning before.
For now it's not for all the motherboards and it's BETA but still.
[Sammelthread] AM5 AGESA/UEFI/BIOS Info & Laberthread

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

Looks like ASUS is the first one to release BIOSes based on the new AGESA (1.0.0.7) that's supposed to fix all those protections that had been malfunctioning before.
For now it's not for all the motherboards and it's BETA but still.

Yeah my MSI BIOS was updated Friday but still waiting on the AGESA update. Hopefully this week. Mine blew up on day 3 and was rebuilt and has been fine for the last 9 days.

 

[CeltPC]

Hopefully a Bios with AGESA version 1007 will be coming out soon for the Strix B650E-E. It is already out for the X670E-F, but oddly not for the X670E-E. Guess they are just working their way through each board.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Updated to 1413, but BOOT times are still slow with default settings 62 seconds (64GB) and 33 seconds for (32GB) machine. Exact SAME MB, RAM and BIOS versions.

Glad to see updates, hopefully AM5 will mature I really miss the 10 second boot times of the older systems.

This may or may not apply to you but I had seriously slow boot times with my X370 and X570 motherboards. I thought that it was just an ASRock thing but through some completely random events, I discovered that it was a faulty SATA cable. I don't know exactly why it was doing that but when I replaced it, suddenly my PC was booting in under 10 seconds with nothing else changed.

If you have any SATA devices, try replacing the cables. They're dirt-cheap anyway.

 

[sonofjesse]

I was running 100% no sata no difference.

 

[Fourro]

Well, I'm not sure ASUS fixed anything with their AGESA 1.0.0.7-based beta-BIOS.

CPU SOC still 1.34V in average.
And those temperatures, oh God... I know it's CinebenchR23 for 10 minutes and it's "just Noctua NH-D15", but...
EXPO II by the way.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

Well, I'm not sure ASUS fixed anything with their AGESA 1.0.0.7-based beta-BIOS.

CPU SOC still 1.34V in average.
And those temperatures, oh God... I know it's CinebenchR23 for 10 minutes and it's "just Noctua NH-D15", but...
EXPO II by the way.

Gonna check my HWinfo when I get home... I updated to the new BIOS last Friday and have EXPO enabled but still running the previous AGESA I believe.

I ran a 30 min all core cpu burn last night with the same D15 cooler and my 7950x3D went to 89C within 1 minute and then stayed there for 29 minutes so I'm happy with that.

 

[CeltPC]

Newest 1602 Bios for the Strix B650E-E appeared today, so naturally I flashed to it, and enabled both EXPO Tweaked and AI Overclock. The SOC voltage is still pegged at 1.28. Idle temps are staying about 40.6 C. During Cinebench about 89 C. Scores about the same as previous Bios.

I might try setting CPU voltage to 1.35 and SOC to to 1.25 just to see if that affects things.

 

[CeltPC]

Well, I'm not sure ASUS fixed anything with their AGESA 1.0.0.7-based beta-BIOS.

CPU SOC still 1.34V in average.
And those temperatures, oh God... I know it's CinebenchR23 for 10 minutes and it's "just Noctua NH-D15", but...
EXPO II by the way.

Curious, are you running AI Overclock, or stock? I see lower temps with the former.

 

[Fourro]

Curious, are you running AI Overclock, or stock? I see lower temps with the former.

EXPO II

 

[CeltPC]

EXPO II

OK, it may help to distinguish between memory optimizations/overclocking and CPU optimizations/overclocking. EXPO is an easy way to optimize/"overclock" memory to the Ram manufacturer's specifications. AI Overclock is an easy way to overclock/optimize your CPU. It is pretty sophisticated in that it uses algorithms to dynamically adjust settings.

There are several ways to optimize CPU performance with AM5, AI Overclock is just so easy and does a very good job of balancing between single core vs. multi-core workload tuning. Here is a helpful video explaining this:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqfqHLpi490

 

[sonofjesse]

Looks like newer bios will launch soon (non beta). AM5 has had some growing pains for sure. This where I would like to see better QA, but everything seems to be "Agile", push it out and fix it later.

 

[CeltPC]

Looks like newer bios will launch soon (non beta). AM5 has had some growing pains for sure. This where I would like to see better QA, but everything seems to be "Agile", push it out and fix it later.

Yes, teething issues for sure. I feel fortunate to have not had problems, I do not know what percentage of AM5 users have actually had failures, though I do know TravisPNW here on this forum did.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

I do not know what percentage of AM5 users have actually had failures, though I do know TravisPNW here on this forum did.

Yeah and it's funny because when I first posted about going with AMD (for the first time since the XP 1800+ in 2001) someone said "be prepared for growing pains with AM5."

I never in a million years thought the PC would blow up on day 3 but it all worked out in the end with nothing lost but time. I was on Steam and heard a faint pop from board and display went out with PC shutdown. Attempts to power on resulted in a quick fan spin and shutdown.

I bought the original parts from Newegg... after it blew up Saturday I narrowed down the failure to CPU and board and the news of the issue broke the same day. I ordered replacement parts for next day delivery from Amazon (rather than wait a week or more for Newegg to RMA) and rebuilt it on Sunday with EXPO off. Newegg approved RMA and I sent bad parts to them on Monday. When Gamers Nexus put out their video the other day they offered to buy my dead parts for analysis but I had already sent them back.

PC ran fine all week and I updated to the new BIOS on Friday which locked SOC voltage at 1.3. I turned EXPO back on and it's been fine for the last 9 days. I'll be honest... I'm not one to run scared. If stuff breaks... I'll replace it or dispute charges via CC. That's why I purchase stuff like this on CC... for the added purchase protection.

I got the replacement parts from Newegg last Monday... 8 days after the rebuild. I returned them to Amazon and got my $1000 back that had been in limbo for a week.

All I lost was a Saturday afternoon of gaming and time spent building the PC twice. No big deal. Quite happy with the PC... it's an absolute monster. OMG at the performance... we are talking 70-80% improvement over my previous 10900k/3090 system. Just insane.

On an unrelated note... I actually built the PC a 3rd time this week. The other night I was taking the tempered glass side panel off my Meshify S2 and bumped the desk and shattered the whole thing. It didn't make a mess it just spiderwebbed in the frame. Finding a replacement panel was impossible. Apparently it's a case that is no longer made and I looked everywhere and found nothing... even on Ebay.

So I bought a new case... the MSI MPG Velox 100R from my local Best Buy. Overclockers.net gave it a thumbs up and I like it. Not a huge RGB fan but it has just enough built in to look good without going overboard. The TG side panel is on a hinge too. 👍

So much like yours...the whole Ryzen 7000 thing made my build better as well. 😉

 

[CeltPC]

Thanks so much for sharing your experience. Would have been cool if Kyle at Gamers Nexus had sent your CPU off to the lab .You have certainly had some "issues", lol. I also really like the hinged side panels (front and back) on my Phanteks Eclipse G500A Mid Tower Case. So nice to just swing them open when I want to, rather than the thumb screws and lifting off the glass while hoping not to have a "whoops!" moment.

Thank goodness just your case was damaged and not the internals. Hope you have smooth sailing from here!

 

[Fourro]

ASUS, what are you doing to us?.. 🙄

 

[CeltPC]

ASUS, what are you doing to us?.. 🙄

LOL, yea, I posted this: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...ts-asus-behavior-re-am5-motherboards.3806914/

I am hoping the attention Kyle is focusing on the situation will wake them up, but who knows... The ironic part is despite their verbiage on warranty, they have not only been replacing MB's when a failure occurs, but offering "bonus" Asus products of the customer's choice to return a damaged board (per Kyle) to prevent people like Gamers Nexus from getting them.

It's a crazy scene. Despite all this, my experience has been so positive with actually using the Strix B650E-E. It has been flawless so far, as stable as can be, and very easy to work with as far as features and bios settings. Yet they are managing to tarnish their reputation by being tone deaf and short sighted on handling the voltage issue. Sad.

 

[Deleted member 2838871]

Sad.

I didn't have any problems with mine because I just RMA'ed the dead parts back to Newegg. Gamers Nexus offered to buy them in the first video from last week but I had sent them back already.

No idea how much of a hassle it would have been had I had to deal with AMD and MSI directly... and am glad it didn't come to that.

Not even salty about it... cost me nothing but a Saturday afternoon of gaming.

P.S.

Speaking of bonuses... MSI gave me $40 in Steam credits for reviewing my board and case. 🤣 🤣

 

[Fourro]

Yet they are managing to tarnish their reputation by being tone deaf and short sighted on handling the voltage issue. Sad.

There's two SoC voltages reported in HWiNFO: CPU VDDCR_SOC and CPU SOC. For me, the first one is not higher than 1.29V no matter what, and the other one is up to 1.341V.
Might be they limited the wrong voltage?

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

The Bios techs at Asus must be burning the midnight oil, as they already posted a new version, which is very unusual, take a look at the Bios releases and dates:

ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 1414 - 4/28/2023
ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 1413 - 4/27/2023
ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 1413 - 4/25/2023
ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS1409 - 4/21/2023
ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI BIOS 1410 - 4/14/2023

Five Bios updates in 14 days is a blistering pace that is unlike anything I ever saw with my years with the Crosshair VI Hero MB. Asus and AMD are obviously taking the issue that some users have experienced across basically all the motherboard brands quite seriously and are fixing, tuning and tweaking away furiously.

"According to the AMD patch notes in Igor's report, both mechanisms had no effect on Ryzen 7000 CPUs with previous AGESA code updates. We don't know what this means exactly, but it seems like the SMU was allowing the CPU to go past TJmax at least a little bit and causing performance issues with the CPU below TJmax in some way.

Again, we don't know how extensive this issue has become. Still, nonetheless, it's a big enough issue for us to highly recommend all Ryzen 7000 users to upgrade their motherboard BIOS/UEFI to a version with AMD's AGESA ComboAM5 patch 1.0.7.0 as soon as possible. The firmware update also provides many other bug fixes, including improved boot times, deep sleep fixes, curve optimizer fixes, and a plethora of DDR5 memory bug fixes." - From TomsHardware

Generally the conventional advice on updating your Bios has been: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I have always tended to go for latest versions anyway, reasoning that they are not releasing an update just for the heck of it. Anyway I have once again flashed to the latest 1414 version, though expecting to perhaps seeing some performance decline given that they are trying to ensure volts and temps are more conservative and safer.

After going with "EXPO tweaked" and "AI Overclock" I did a little Cinebench benchmarking while monitoring with HWiNFO64. I was pleasantly surprised!

My Cinebench scores actually went up about 100 points on average (3168ish - not a big difference but notable that it was actually a gain). Meanwhile the SOC voltage went down from 1.335 to 1.28. Temperatures decreased as well, never exceeding 85.9 C. Given that my first stock results with this build were 2800 on Cinebench and temps in the 90's with thermal throttling, it's encouraging.

Hey there,

Yeah, this has become standard fair for Ryzen/mobo suppliers. Same with the 1st gen 1xxx series/2nd/3rd/4thgen. A slew of releases literally a few days apart. Particularly, with new gen hardware you will always get this anyway.

On the matter of the bios update itself, well I differ with some on this. Having been a Ryzen owner for 5+ years, it's par for the course, and very common place (as you've experienced) to update the bios. People saying 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it) are living in the past. Now a bios update is more akin to a driver install or OS update..

I take a pragmatic approach with bios upgrades. Test at stock on your proffered bios, and then again with a newer one. Do the tests show improvements? Then you know there's something to be gained performance wise. If not, then roll back. Bios updates also bring performance increases for the CPU, mem compatibility etc.

Super important though - remember to clear CMOS after each bios update.