[SOLVED] Ryzen CPU or Package temps?

[bgunner]

I just updated from the FX series to Ryzen and I'm not sure which temp to go by on the new 5800X chip.

Do I watch the CPU temp or the Package temp like we did with the FX series?

 

[hotaru.hino]

Use the CPU temperature. Zen 2 and later based Ryzen processors, which yours is a part of, have an I/O die and one or two CPU dies.

 

[drea.drechsler]

I just updated from the FX series to Ryzen and I'm not sure which temp to go by on the new 5800X chip.

Do I watch the CPU temp or the Package temp like we did with the FX series?

Get HWINfo 64 and look for CPU Die (Average) temperature.

Ryzen uses 'hot spot' sensors that look a lot hotter than the CPU actually is. You have to look at averages to get an idea of the true thermal state.

Also, don't freak out when you see temps running up to 90C; it's normal and how it's designed to work.

Max Safe Temperature for AMD Ryzen 5000 CPUs? | Hardware Times

AMD’s Robert Hallock has clarified that temperatures up to 90C for the higher-end Zen 3 based Ryzen 7 and 9 parts are quite normal, and won’t affect the life-cycle of the chip. Replying to a Redditor, Hallock said that AMD views temperatures up to 90C (for the 5800X/5900X/5950X) as typical and...

www.hardwaretimes.com

 

[bgunner]

Use the CPU temperature. Zen 2 and later based Ryzen processors, which yours is a part of, have an I/O die and one or two CPU dies.

So is it ok if the package temp goes over the 90°c mark then? I've yet to see it get that high with my cooling setup but am trying to get a grasp of what is OK per sensor.

Get HWINfo 64 and look for CPU Die (Average) temperature.

Ryzen uses 'hot spot' sensors that look a lot hotter than the CPU actually is. You have to look at averages to get an idea of the true thermal state.

Also, don't freak out when you see temps running up to 90C; it's normal and how it's designed to work.

Max Safe Temperature for AMD Ryzen 5000 CPUs? | Hardware Times

AMD’s Robert Hallock has clarified that temperatures up to 90C for the higher-end Zen 3 based Ryzen 7 and 9 parts are quite normal, and won’t affect the life-cycle of the chip. Replying to a Redditor, Hallock said that AMD views temperatures up to 90C (for the 5800X/5900X/5950X) as typical and...

www.hardwaretimes.com

Thanks for the info. I was aware of the 90°c mark being ok with this CPU as AMD published a list of acceptable temps at certain conditions. I am also aware that this CPU needs a minimum of an AIO cooler to keep the clocks up, which I have one, plus massive air flow through my case to keep the old FX series and Tahiti GPU cool.

I downloaded HWINfo 64 yesterday as I was setting up this PC but got dumbfounded by the amount of sensor information that it showed. Not sure where it went, I may have deleted it with out moving the file out of downloads.

If I am not mistaken, please correct me if I am wrong here, I need to look at the CPU CCD1 reading for the averages, correct?

 

[drea.drechsler]

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Thanks for the info. I was aware of the 90°c mark being ok with this CPU as AMD published a list of acceptable temps at certain conditions. I am also aware that this CPU needs a minimum of an AIO cooler to keep the clocks up.
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If I am not mistaken, please correct me if I am wrong here, I need to look at the CPU CCD1 reading for the averages, correct?

CPU Die (Average) is the best indicator of it's thermal state. In particular, the AVERAGE column. The sensor itself is some kind of average of the hot spot sensors while the average column is an average of the averages over time. Other sensors are the discrete values of hot spots on the CPU die and the IO Die. A 5800X has only one CPU die or CCD.

I don't think anyone knows what is meant by "package" temp in other monitoring utilities. One thing that's rather good about HWInfo is it uses "tool tips" to explain most all the sensor readings; just hover the mouse pointer over the reading. Also, there's a good forum on the HWInfo web site to ask questions and Martin (the author) answers them. He's very responsive, just read first to see if yours hasn't already been answered.

You don't need an AIO as there are many air coolers quite good enough. The nice thing about an AIO is it can be forgiving of poor case airflow and you don't need to turn your case into a wind tunnel to provide very good cooling. I've a 240mm AIO front mounted in a fairly small mATX case. I started off with fairly high fan speeds in heavy processing loads but kept turning it down to find the optimum quiet. Now it's adjusted to barely spin up at all even when the CPU starts in on a video transcode. The liquid takes the brunt of the thermal output so it can do that for a long time.

The GPU, well, that's another matter. It just hots up and not much more can I do about it.