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Is the implication that we have been paying for a crippled OS? Or an epic FU from AMD?
Great that a fix/tweak has been found, but this also means my Ryzen 7900 has been underperforming ever since I installed it.
 
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Silly idea that Windows has multiple levels of super user: simple user, admin user and hidden God.mode...
I buy a PC, buy Windows, buy a CPU, have certain expectations (best CPU ever, superior performance) and still I have to cope with a suboptimal OS that prohibits me from using my own hardware?
Do I have to burn extra energy to get the performance I expected? Is MS paying my bills? Or AMD?
No, they just publish their message that over time it will get better. Yet, that will just be what I initially expected from AMD's own hyperbolic Zen4 presentations.
 
mv31040 said:
Is the implication that we have been paying for a crippled OS? Or an epic FU from AMD?
Great that a fix/tweak has been found, but this also means my Ryzen 7900 has been underperforming ever since I installed it.
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First case, more than likely, as promised performance for Zen5 was available under Linux since day one. Had it been an AMD fsck-up, it would have impacted Linux too, at least a little.
 
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I cannot understand how an amministrator account could "increase branch predictions performance" of a CPU. Somebody knows technical details about it ?
The only thing I can think is that the OS use differently compiled parts based on user privileges, maybe for security reasons.
 
mitch074 said:
First case, more than likely, as promised performance for Zen5 was available under Linux since day one. Had it been an AMD fsck-up, it would have impacted Linux too, at least a little.
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Makes you wonder how much performance is still being held back by Windows if this low hanging fruit of an update enabled 10% on average better gaming performance already.
 
mv31040 said:
Is the implication that we have been paying for a crippled OS? Or an epic FU from AMD?
Great that a fix/tweak has been found, but this also means my Ryzen 7900 has been underperforming ever since I installed it.
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You paid for and got a processor that performed as advertised at the time. Now you're getting a free unexpected performance boost. Sounds like a great thing to me!
 
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jp7189 said:
You paid for and got a processor that performed as advertised at the time. Now you're getting a free unexpected performance boost. Sounds like a great thing to me!
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WTF?! He's been artificially handicapped by Spyware 11 because their priority is collecting user data rather than actually optimize their OS! Now after all that time he's able to unleash the true potential of his CPU (right? his CPU power still is not being held back... right?!) and you are saying he should be grateful to these greedy filthy corporations for the "free performance boost"?! Holy God you are a shill. Adding you to my permanent block list.
 
mhmarefat said:
WTF?! He's been artificially handicapped by Spyware 11 because their priority is collecting user data rather than actually optimize their OS! Now after all that time he's able to unleash the true potential of his CPU (right? his CPU power still is not being held back... right?!) and you are saying he should be grateful to these greedy filthy corporations for the "free performance boost"?! Holy God you are a shill. Adding you to my permanent block list.
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He bought the CPU based on the performance shown on windows 11 prior to this patch.
 
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mhmarefat said:
WTF?! He's been artificially handicapped by Spyware 11 because their priority is collecting user data rather than actually optimize their OS! Now after all that time he's able to unleash the true potential of his CPU (right? his CPU power still is not being held back... right?!) and you are saying he should be grateful to these greedy filthy corporations for the "free performance boost"?! Holy God you are a shill. Adding you to my permanent block list.
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If you bought a new car, and after a year and a half, they said:
"Hey, we've come up with a new optimization routine for the overall power curve. It will gain you an extra 1.5 mpg on average, with zero change in any other performance.
We can do an OTA patch, at your convenience. $0."

Would you be pissed off at Toyota for ripping you off all that time?
 
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NinoPino said:
I cannot understand how an amministrator account could "increase branch predictions performance" of a CPU. Somebody knows technical details about it ?
The only thing I can think is that the OS use differently compiled parts based on user privileges, maybe for security reasons.
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I share your problem. It's a pretty lacking explanation,
 
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The suggestion is that it is a side effect from the spectre and meltdown fixes. Admin mode bypassing them….
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Interesting. So if what they're saying is right (from my understanding from listening to their explanation) it's not about gaining performance, but regaining lost performance. The loss, and gain, should be pretty easy to find with benchmarks then.
 
USAFRet said:
If you bought a new car, and after a year and a half, they said:
"Hey, we've come up with a new optimization routine for the overall power curve. It will gain you an extra 1.5 mpg on average, with zero change in any other performance.
We can do an OTA patch, at your convenience. $0."

Would you be pissed off at Toyota for ripping you off all that time?
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Except, my neighbour's very same car who purchased it from a different shop, has been operating normally all this time! Also, that shop never installed any hidden surveillance techs inside his car behind his back either! neither are they forcing any ADs to be played the moment he enters his car!

Yet what triggered me is that he is saying I should be GRATEFUL that they gave me what I paid for, "free of charge"! Wow! How gracious!
 
mhmarefat said:
Except, my neighbour's very same car who purchased it from a different shop, has been operating normally all this time! Also, that shop never installed any hidden surveillance techs inside his car behind his back either! neither are they forcing any ADs to be played the moment he enters his car!

Yet what triggered me is that he is saying I should be GRATEFUL that they gave me what I paid for, "free of charge"! Wow! How gracious!
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You paid for the advertised performance. If your OS of choice was windows, then you paid for the advertised windows performance. Period. If you bought the product even thought you didn't like the advertised windows performance then the fault is on you, you shouldn't have bought the product. AMD has done nothing wrong here.

If you bought the product - it means you were happy with the performance already compared to the alternatives (intel, or other amd products), and now you get a free boost on top. In fact the only people that AMD has wronged are the people that bought a competitors CPU - since they might have bought an AMD instead had they known there was a windows issue that was going to be fixed and increase performance.
 
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Except, my neighbour's very same car who purchased it from a different shop, has been operating normally all this time! Also, that shop never installed any hidden surveillance techs inside his car behind his back either! neither are they forcing any ADs to be played the moment he enters his car!

Yet what triggered me is that he is saying I should be GRATEFUL that they gave me what I paid for, "free of charge"! Wow! How gracious!
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No need to get tiggered... I nevered used the word grateful nor did I advise any particular feeling towards either company. I simply said getting more performance is great.
 
mhmarefat said:
Except, my neighbour's very same car who purchased it from a different shop, has been operating normally all this time! Also, that shop never installed any hidden surveillance techs inside his car behind his back either! neither are they forcing any ADs to be played the moment he enters his car!

Yet what triggered me is that he is saying I should be GRATEFUL that they gave me what I paid for, "free of charge"! Wow! How gracious!
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Given your scenario, it is not the "very same car".
 
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