S-ATA & IDE setup help

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At the moment I have my 200GB SATA drive on SATA-1(IDE CHANNEL 3 master).
This drive has windows installed on it, and is the only Hard drive in my PC.

On IDE channel 1 master I have my DVD Drive.

I need to install a 250GB IDE Hard Drive, for storage. I'm not too sure on
which channel it should go? IDE Channel 1 Master and then move the DVD to
slave?

On another note, the is the first time I've used a SATA drive in any system.
There's always a little icon in the system tray "safely remove hard drive",
this seems a little scarey to be constantly there? is it normal?

 

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mark posted:

>
> On another note, the is the first time I've used a SATA drive in any
> system. There's always a little icon in the system tray "safely
> remove hard drive", this seems a little scarey to be constantly
> there? is it normal?

AFAIK you can hot-swap SATA drives safely, provided you stop them
first... that's what the icon is telling you. As with USB

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Hi Mark,

You will need to put the hard drive on as a master then the DVD as slave.
The slave on an IDE channel is always regulated by the speed of the master,
your DVD is ATA33 and the HD is probably ATA100 or 133, if the DVD was
master then your hd would only run at ATA33.

Shiva


"Paul-B - the original and the best!" <paul-b@mschumacher.com> wrote in
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> mark posted:
>
> >
> > On another note, the is the first time I've used a SATA drive in any
> > system. There's always a little icon in the system tray "safely
> > remove hard drive", this seems a little scarey to be constantly
> > there? is it normal?
>
> AFAIK you can hot-swap SATA drives safely, provided you stop them
> first... that's what the icon is telling you. As with USB
>
> --
> Paul-B
>
> "If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
> - Mario Andretti
>
> Reply to address is spam-trap. Use paul at streetka dot biz if you
> really must!

 

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Remo-Shiva wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> You will need to put the hard drive on as a master then the DVD as slave.
> The slave on an IDE channel is always regulated by the speed of the master,
> your DVD is ATA33 and the HD is probably ATA100 or 133, if the DVD was
> master then your hd would only run at ATA33.
>
Is this still true? I keep seeing things like this being posted on
USENet, but I thought that on modern IDE channels it didn't matter what
was master and what was slave as far as speed was concerned. Except of
course that if both devices were transferring simultaneously there would
be loss.

dick

 

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Bitstring <2jg9adF10buiqU1@uni-berlin.de>, from the wonderful person
Dick Sidbury <drjamessidbury@hotmail.com> said
>Remo-Shiva wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>> You will need to put the hard drive on as a master then the DVD as
>>slave.
>> The slave on an IDE channel is always regulated by the speed of the master,
>> your DVD is ATA33 and the HD is probably ATA100 or 133, if the DVD was
>> master then your hd would only run at ATA33.
>>
>Is this still true?

No. And it has not been for years.

> I keep seeing things like this being posted on USENet, but I thought
>that on modern IDE channels it didn't matter what was master and what
>was slave as far as speed was concerned.

It doesn't. Urban legends persist for a long time, and nobody ever
bothers to actually try testing them.

> Except of course that if both devices were transferring simultaneously
>there would be loss.

True.
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"mark" <mark_no_spam_@no_spam_mail.com> wrote...
> At the moment I have my 200GB SATA drive on SATA-1(IDE CHANNEL 3 master).
> This drive has windows installed on it, and is the only Hard drive in my
PC.
>
> On IDE channel 1 master I have my DVD Drive.
>
> I need to install a 250GB IDE Hard Drive, for storage. I'm not too sure on
> which channel it should go? IDE Channel 1 Master and then move the DVD to
> slave?

I would put the new HD on IDE Channel 2 Master.

You could swap the DVD to Channel 2 and put the HD on Channel 1, but I don't
think it matters, since you boot from SATA.

 

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"GSV Three Minds in a Can" <GSV@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:AqfHIDE5Nw0AFAIh@from.is.invalid...
> Bitstring <2jg9adF10buiqU1@uni-berlin.de>, from the wonderful person
> Dick Sidbury <drjamessidbury@hotmail.com> said
> >Remo-Shiva wrote:
> >> The slave on an IDE channel is always regulated by the speed of the
> >> master, your DVD is ATA33 and the HD is probably ATA100 or 133, if the
> >> DVD was master then your hd would only run at ATA33.
> >
> >Is this still true?
>
> No. And it has not been for years.

AFAIK, not ever, in fact.

For years, the specifications haven't even referred to the devices as
"master" and "slave", but simply as "device 0" and "device 1". That is, in
the few places that it matters.

Alex

 

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Bitstring <2jgju6F10ehfkU1@uni-berlin.de>, from the wonderful person
Alex Fraser <me@privacy.net> said
>"GSV Three Minds in a Can" <GSV@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:AqfHIDE5Nw0AFAIh@from.is.invalid...
>> Bitstring <2jg9adF10buiqU1@uni-berlin.de>, from the wonderful person
>> Dick Sidbury <drjamessidbury@hotmail.com> said
>> >Remo-Shiva wrote:
>> >> The slave on an IDE channel is always regulated by the speed of the
>> >> master, your DVD is ATA33 and the HD is probably ATA100 or 133, if the
>> >> DVD was master then your hd would only run at ATA33.
>> >
>> >Is this still true?
>>
>> No. And it has not been for years.
>
>AFAIK, not ever, in fact.

You could well be right, but I couldn't say that 'for sure' since I was
not in a position to test all the original dumb motherboard/BIOS
combinations. I believe there =were= some ('way back when') which were
dumb enough to say 'If there is a PIO device on IDE channel 1 then I
refuse to use DMA on any other device on that channel' .. but that's
pure hearsay.

And that's PIO vs DMA, not DMA Mode 1 vs Mode 3 or anything more recent.

>For years, the specifications haven't even referred to the devices as
>"master" and "slave", but simply as "device 0" and "device 1". That is, in
>the few places that it matters.

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"GSV Three Minds in a Can" <GSV@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]
> You could well be right, but I couldn't say that 'for sure' since I was
> not in a position to test all the original dumb motherboard/BIOS
> combinations. I believe there =were= some ('way back when') which were
> dumb enough to say 'If there is a PIO device on IDE channel 1 then I
> refuse to use DMA on any other device on that channel' .. but that's
> pure hearsay.

Noted.

> And that's PIO vs DMA, not DMA Mode 1 vs Mode 3 or anything more recent.

It's also not master speed regulating slave speed, but a variation of the
above seems no less likely (ie if the master is PIO only, the slave will be
communicated with using PIO only regardless of capability).

In case it wasn't apparent, I was speaking in terms of what the
specifications require. So, to clarify my original comment: AFAIK, no
version of the ATA spec has ever imposed a limit on slave (device 1) mode
due to master (device 0) mode.

Alex