Sabertooth 990FX GEN3 R2.0 IS IT NOT GOING TO BE NOT WORTH IT

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I was reading on other forums that the new mobo is not really going to be pci E 3.0 even though they say it is. Can anyone explain?
 
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Sabertooth boards ARE worth the few extra bucks, it's the RoG boards that are way overpriced.... You wont be sad you buy a sabertooth... The pci 3.0 is not needed these days and or anytime soon.
 
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Some say sabertooh and Rog Mobos are overpriced and not worth it I think they just can`t afford them. Look at 3D Mark Hall of Fame it`s all ROG and Evga Hardware WELL.I have a Asus Maximus V and 2 Evga GTX 670 FTW cards an score over 21000Pts how many lesser boards an keep up? The new Sabertooth will support Pci 3.0 when AMD builds a Cpu to support it and I think that will be soon or Asus would not offer it.
 
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Z77 roundups:
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77x-up5-th-z77a-gd80-z77-oc-formula,3305-24.html
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-extreme6-z77a-gd65-z77h2-a2x,3187-21.html
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-express-ivy-bridge-benchmark,3254-34.html

Yes, it's Z77. But I see no significant difference in OC ability there, and doubt there's any on AM3+.

Oops: Just noticed two are at 1.3V, and one at 1.25V. Compare only within similar graphs and you should be fine.
 
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3 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (dual x16 or x16, x8, x8) *1
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 mode, black)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x1
1 x PCI
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From Asus's page on the Sabertooth. Show me where it says PCIe3.0, and explain why no other manufacturer's do it? From what I can see (give me a source or good reasoning if you think I am wrong) the PCIe lanes are off the chipset, not CPU, and thus not affected by CPU version. TL;DR MBs won't do PCIe3.0 until AMD builds a new chipset.
 
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AMD are not building anything new, they are only making the video card chipsets for distributors like Asus so they do all the work.

I doubt that AMD would be in the market for PCIE3.0 motherboards, they are secretly inventing the PCIe 4.0 bus interface that will outdo Intel... but shhh, you didn't hear that from me.


Here is something about Gigabyte -
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-msi-pcie-3.0-gen3-third-gen,13485.html
 
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https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FXGEN3_R20/

Here is the information you've been seeking....right here....on Asus' website....
 
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Must have been looking at the non-Gen3 one. Still, they seem to have a mishmash of "supports PCIe 3.0" and "AMD 990FX chipset...dual PCI Express™ 2.0 x16 graphics". Until someone does a review that shows it's actually running at 3.0 speeds, and not "could, in theory, if AMD's silicon supported it, but it doesn't".

The Gigabyte launch doesn't really apply - from what I can see, the AM3 platform PCIe controllers are on the chipset, not the CPU. A new CPU does not bring new 3.0 capable controllers.
 
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According to GPU-Z my 7870 XT is running at PCIe 3.0 speeds.
 
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OK; interesting. Would love to see how they do it, and whether it is actually transferring data at those speeds, or if it just tricks the card into thinking it is.

Plus even PCIe2.0x8 is enough for almost any card these days - someone did a test a while back looking at performance vs bandwidth, and there was no difference until you got down to 2.0x4 or so.
 
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What I'd like to know is whether the power requirement for PCIe 3.0 is any different to PCIe 2.0 and if the backward compatibility compensates the excess power or if there is any possiblity of damge to a highly powered video card in a backward PCIe slot.
 
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Yes I can explain as I bought this board and must say I am NOT A HAPPY CAMPER.

AMD Processor Makers can not figure out how to make ANY AMD PROCESSOR understand what PCIe 3.0 is or how to take advantage of it's speed. What Asus has done is found a way to EMULATE PCIe 3.0 ONLY on this Sabertooth POS (No not Point of sale but rather Piece of S--T) and thereby by passing AMDs inability to do what Intel has been doing for a few years now, enjoying the added speed of PCIe 3.0... Needless to say I am a full fledged AMD FAN BOY as I have owned almost every AMD Processor there is. Not exactly all of them or course, but just about. I did not bother to get a 3.6 if I had the 3.5 but would jump to the 4.0 or higher, but I digress.

Yes Asus EMULATES PCIe 3.0 and had I known this I would not have spent 1k US dollars on a processor, this CRAP BOARD, Memory and a 3.0 Video card that is almost down $100.00 since I purchased it two months ago. Do yourself a favor and avoid this board like the PLAGUE. I did not know about the issues this board had until it was too late. I did not notice that Newegg only offered a board replacement as the only refund and when they do that, do not waste your money because if they don't want to give you money back then the item is not worth buying.

Asus took 30 days to get this board back to me and it still does not work properly. Worse yet, the new board I sent in was not repairable and was only 34 days old was replaced with a factory refurb. Asus did not bother to replace it with a new board. I will not ever buy Asus ANYTHING EVER AGAIN. I have spent upwards of $1700.00 on an illusion. My PCIe 3.0 video card response is barely faster then then the 6750 Redeon and the added speed is due to the card having 4 gigs of ram and it has nothing to do with PCIe 3.0. If I could reset the PCIe slot as a 2.0 this 680 GTX would probably be just as fast, if not faster.

The only time ASUS will stand behind their product is when they are about to DUMP IT IN THE TRASH BIN. This use to NOT BE THE CASE but ASUS has gone way down hill with quality control and absolutely NO CUSTOMER SUPPORT. I apologize for such a rant but I just got my board back today, OVER NIGHT MAILED IT how awfully WHITE of ASUS, and I am of the opinion that they simply returned my BOARD. No new drivers were detected and once again NO ACHI and NO 2133 Memory. I am half tempted to simply make a video of a Train running this board over as I just bought a $200.00 REFURB PAPERWEIGHT and needless to say I am ANYTHING BUT HAPPY.... I do love the direction AMD is taking but if they don't pick up their game soon they will lose their number 2 fan to INTEL because I am not going to waste a PCIe 3.0 Video card on a 2.0 slot. And once again, I digress...
 
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Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed...

If you think that PCIe 3.0 is going to make any difference to how fast your card runs, guess again. People were doing CF/SLI with high end cards on P67 (i.e. PCIe2.x8 per card). There currently is no advantage to it's speed.

If you have the serial numbers, you could check if it's the same board. Are you even sure it's the board and not a PSU/CPU/RAM/SSD/HDD/GPU causing you trouble?

Sounds like someone is upset over the pace of the PC market - of course prices can drop. Do you shout about it when they drop the price on your car a month after you buy it?

Tried factory resetting and BIOS updating the board?
 
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By looking at this comments from everyone. Does anyone really knowing how PCIe lane really work? Yes it support PCIe 3.0! It doesn't really rely on the CPU to be able to used the PCIe, It the support of a chipset controller that does the PCI lanes. Take your HS off on the south bridge. There a controller chip that been added on to the chipset on to the PCIe 3.0 lane. Remember back in the days when motherboard out there stating out there that have the PCIe 3.0. But they end up testing on the board and realizing that there no different on the 2.0 vs 3.0 pff talk about a faulty board with a no adding on chip or made a chipset that adding the support for the bus of the speed and no true card that really going into the higher bandwidth. There are some Intel board out there that supported the 3.0 lane and found out there was a huge improvement by adding a real bus speed support and putting a real card from the PCIe from the co itself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express they were showing how it works and allowing showing how much data that is really going in and out of that slot. Right now at this moment our chip from GPU doesn't really have the ability to really push the data in the 3.0 config That mean that the GPU is slow at this moment and does not need to taken the ability for higher pipe line for the GPU chips into the 3.0. But it does have forward compatibility at the slot from the PCIe 3.0. I can see where most AMD user want the best of the AMD 4.4 and 4.7 GHZ at a 220 watts CPU adding on to this board. It doesn't have the support of the Mosfet to really push for a higher watts CPU and able to clock it at his best and the Asus doesn't want to add any more BIOS support for it. This is made for a 140 watts. I want to added some information about the new AMD, what freak me about about the 220 watts CPU that they really added the extra 4 diode that are needed for the 4 cores of the CPU. That means that the CPU is a true 8 core and not some 4 diode and split the chip for extra false core to be stating about it 8 core CPU from the older FX AMD model. Sooner or later the 220 watts CPU at it 5.0 GHZ and higher independently watts per core in the NM process going to be neat in the 2014. I can see why this board is not being made anymore and getting rare because of the support of the mosfet and but does have the support of the 3.0. They are going to end up making new chipset sooner or later in the fall or next yr. I can see where this is going. New 1090FX chipset motherboard is getting real close and able to support of being the 220 watts mosfets and PCIe 3.0 and adding 10 SATA 3.0 and 2 ESATA 3.0 and 10 USB 3.0. There no telling what AMD is up to right now
 
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I own this board and I am here to say "IT IS NOT WORTH IT" but many of you already know this. What Asus has done is "EMULATE" PCIe 3.0 hence the reason there is not much of a boost from 2.0, like any other emulation it simple does not work. I have been an AMD Fan for decades and I am losing faith because AMD can not figure out how to produce PCIe 3.0 in their processors. AMD is the 1st to Offer 8 Cores, WOW, but there is NO SUPPORT FOR 8 CORES so 6 CORES are WASTED most of the time and it will be several years before anything will be able to take advantage of 8 Cores. Hey AMD here is an Idea, how about you dump 4 Cores and FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRODUCE PCIe 3.0 so those of use that wasted 600 US Dollars on a PCIe 3.0 Video card can start to get some use out of it. There is a reason this board is LIMITED, it's because it FAILED and in an EPIC MANOR... Worse yet mine failed about 32 days after purchase and now I am stuck with a REPLACEMENT board, yeah 200 bucks for a REPLACEMENT BOARD, WHAT A DEAL... Worse yet even more is Asus took almost 30 days to get the board back to me after spending about 20+ hours on the phone with their Tech Support because apparently after my board was checked in, and found to be FAULTY, it was LOST. This will be the last Asus Motherboard I ever invest in. Asus USE to be reputable, but not any more....
 
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There is no boost from 2.0 to 3.0 anyway (unless you're running a seriously high-end RAID card(s)). Read this: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/18/pci_express_20_vs_30_gpu_gaming_performance_review#.UiB-fUD08pU

A fast GPU will be faster than a slow one, even on a PCIe 2.0 link. Besides, the PCIe3.0x8 most Intel boards run CF/SLI at is equivalent to the PCIe2.0x16 link your GPU should be running at. Checked your drivers? A $600 GPU (what is it, 680?) in a PCIe1.1x4 slot will still be faster than a 7750 in a PCIe3.0x16. Because bandwidth is very rarely a problem.

HandBrake uses 8 threads (and probably more) to encode video. Many of photoshop's filters are arbitrarily threaded too. 7zip uses as many as you have.

Games currently mostly don't need the extra processing power, and won't for some time. By that time, they will be much more threaded because of the new consoles.

You can find those kinds of stories from every manufacturer, and they are significantly in the minority. If things had gone fine, would you have bothered posting? No?

It's normal for companies to return the product if they find nothing wrong. It means the problem is on your end, either something else in your system or a PEBKAC.

What failed that waited 32 days?
 
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The below troll post restored for laughs - Someone Somewhere

ummm HELLO!!!

First off lol how can you say you know about this board its not even out yet. its Due out Mid March?????

Your all missing the reason why this board is being made. Me my self could give two craps about PCIE3.0 if it comes and works Great added bonus. This board is made for the select few who need it and i wish these site got their reasons why they are making this dam thing. I own a AMD FX 9590 and if these site really did homework and got the facts right, it might stop all your bickering about trivial options. MAN i need to get a life.

THE FACTS ARE :

AMD has 2 CPU's that are STARVING for power, all the MB's out to-date only feed them 140 watts and the Two flag ship chips are all but under performing due to this fact. I think maybe if they had some AMD fans writing reviews on AMD you might get the correct info. This new board is to give our AMD chips 250 watts of needed power so we are able to use our flagship FX chips to their full potential and I'm sure the reviews vs the AMD flag ship FX 9590 chip performance with Definitely change.

Every site i go to has said the same stuff and nothing about the 250 watts its made to produce and why. SO if you own one of the two top FX Flag ship chips this board is a definite need. Once they release the board that is. No one owns this board yet Sabertooth 990FX GEN3 R2.0 if they think they do it would be the following Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 the Gen 3 is yet to be put on the shelf as i have yet to find anyone in NA who has it in stock

 
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