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Anyone own or would like to share their experiences with this monitor? I just got one myself, and I was a bit surprised by the amount of ghosting, having read (reviews etc) that it should be relatively fast/flicker free. The response time is also listed as 25ms. For instance when I drag the mouse in Windows, the ghosting is quite apparent. And, if I drag a window around it flickers quite a lot.
I have installed the monitor driver btw, and my grfx card is a Creative TNT (shitty I know, but waiting for GF4).
What do you guys think, should it be like this?
 
It could have something to do with the PVA tech that they are using. I know that GoSharks will swear up and down that MVA tech has nothing to do with the ghosting/blurring/afterglow that seems to be prevelant on LCDs that use fujitsu mva panels. However, it is beginning to seem like too much of a coincidence. I have not seen one person comment positively about fast action gaming on an LCD using MVA. I know he explained how MVA is a viewing tech and has no influence on response time but something is rotten in Denmark.

Here is a quote from the fujitsu website:
http://www.fme.fujitsu.com/news/autumn01/05.html

"This unique patented technology provides what is widely acknowledged to be the best performance of any TFT-LCD panels available, with an exceptional combination of benefits, including an extremely wide viewing angle of up to 170° in the horizontal and vertical, and 160° in any direction. Response times are as fast as 25ms, the rise time being 15ms and the decay time 10ms or less. The 10ms response from white to black, which is the most recognisable transition to human eyes, is particularly fast, making an MVA LCD particularly suitable for reproducing moving images. Other features include a high contrast ratio of 500:1, high brightness (250cd/m), no grey scale inversion or colour distortion, and a simplified production operation through the elimination of rubbing and spacer spray."

"The R&D work is resulting in an enhanced version of MVA, MVA Premium. The main benefits of this will be to increase still further the contrast and the overall viewing angle, while also decreasing the response time. MVA Premium will be implemented initially in the three largest monitor sizes, from the beginning of 2002"

I'm sorry but it really does not sound like they are making response time a seperate issue from MVA. It sounds to me like fujitsu is calling their entire panel MVA and not just stating that MVA is a tech used in their panel. Perhaps this is technically wrong but if fujitsu is going to classify their entire panel as MVA and list benefits such as improved contrast ratio and lowered response time, you can sure bet that I am going to notice when the panel falls FAR short in one of those areas.

Now, you may blame this on the marketing department and you could be very correct. However, when the marketing department is responsible for the majority of information that reaches the public, their statements are fair game for evaluation. They claim "making an MVA LCD particularly suitable for reproducing moving images." Maybe it looks that way on paper but in fast action gaming they are terrible.

You might say that this can be blamed on the additional electronics added by the monitor manufacturer and this could be true. It remains to be seen whether this is the case or not. MVA/PVA/ASV all look great on paper but the fujitsu/samsung/sharp panels using those respective techs have all been highly disparaged in the area of ghosting/afterglow/blurring. I am still waiting to hear something positive about an MVA/PVA/ASV unit regarding fast action gaming.

On a side note, the LCDs that I was able to evaluate at home in a controlled environment were the kds rad-5 (25ms), the planar pv150 (25ms), and the envision 7100 (50ms). Althought the rad-5 and pv150 are rated with the same 25ms total typical response time the pv150 was useless for fast action gaming because of the absurd amount of ghosting/blurring/afterglow. The rad-5 was perfectly acceptable in this area. The pv150 is based on MVA, the rad-5 is not. More interesting is that the envision 7100 while rated at 50ms actually performed the best out of all three units. The 7100 is not based on MVA. I think at the very least we can draw the conclusion that the response time as reported by the marketing department is not always going to be representative of real world performance.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eviscerate on 02/25/02 04:10 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
"I think at the very least we can draw the conclusion that the response time as reported by the marketing department is not always going to be representative of real world performance."

To a certain degree this probably holds for marketing in general. More to the point though it is highlighted that not all MVAs are created equal, and the latest technology is typically implemented first with the biggest screens, not the smaller ones (for sound economic reasons).

I have a large MVA and can tell you most assuredly that I get no ghosting whatsoever from the mouse cursor, nor from dragging windows.



In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; In practice, there is.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by keewee on 02/25/02 04:27 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
First of all, thanks for the elaborate reply :) But are you sure this monitor is based on MVA tech? The review over at www.hardwarecentral.com/hardwarecentral/reviews/4007/1 was relatively positive regarding response time, quote 'swift and ghost-free'. It doesn't seem very ghost free to me, couldnt be a fault with this particular unit could it?
Would be nice if any fellow owners of 151/171 series would share their experiences ...
 
There are many people that use MVA that do not have problems with ghosting. MVA has nothing to do with ghosting, nor does PVA.

Jack Burton is a great man...
 
I'm also having some problems with the Natural Color program that comes with the monitor, it seems. I have to start the program for my color profile to be applied, while it should be permanent no? Would this be a hardware or software problem (I've tried reverting to my clean Win2k install, doesnt help)?