Samsung 191N vs. 191T

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I picked up the 191N model just yesterday and have only used it for a few minutes. There is quite a bit of ghosting of text, the mouse pointer, and it's next to impossible to play and games because of this. Is this because the interface is only analogue?

If anyone here has a 191T model, can you tell me if these problems exist on that monitor? It this always the difference between analogue and digital input? I'm going to have to take this 191N back either way, I just want to know if I should keep my CRT for now or pick up the 191T instead. Please let me know.

- Alec

"Something is only impossible until it's not."
 
Well, I do not own the 191t, however i played a significant amount of games on it at the store, for a long enought time period, that i can say that it was *perfect* for gaming. It was hooked up thru the digital tho. I played a lot of fast action games like counter strike, jedi knight 2, and medal of honor. Sorry about your situation tho. You should have tested the monitor before you got it.
 
I was not in a situation to do so at the time. The ghosting really is not manageable, and I've never noticed it being this bad on any LCD I've ever seen. Even on a 3 year old laptop, I don't get any ghosting in Windows, let alone gaming. I can only conclude that something is up with this monitor.

Taking it back Monday.

Does anyone know the response time of the 191N? I haven't been able to find the info anywhere.

- Alec

"Something is only impossible until it's not."
 
I found a review of the 191N on a German website. They quote the response time at 25ms just like the 191T which I have. The monitor is very nice indeed and I would consider it to be a very good monitor for gaming. There is some bleeding with the monitor in heavy 3D games. If I new the Hitachi CM174 with a response time of 16ms was coming out I would have gotten that. So if you game a lot go for the Hitachi!!!

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Too bad that Hitachi is only a 17".

I've read several reviews of the 191T saying that the ghosting was very minimal, and that it only occured badly on grey tones. Several people have said that the monitor is great and doesn't display any ghosting in Windows or while watching DVDs, but I have noticed both of these on my 191N. Even watching a DVD of Star Trek:TNG (you'd be hard pressed to find any grey on THAT ship), characters were ghosting as they walked past camera and so on.

I'm wondering if my particular monitor is to blame. Perhaps it's a bad apple of some sort? Maybe it's a difference between analogue and digital? I don't know. I'll see if I can upgrade it to the digital model.

- Alec

"Something is only impossible until it's not."
 
I had the 181t and using it through a GeForce ti4600 and I thought the ghosting was unbearable in fast fps games although in most other things it was fine. A friend also tried it (different PC and card) and he came to the same conclusion, although he didnt think it as bad as me.

I did a review some time ago on this forum, have a search and read.

Anyway, send it back :) and buy/wait for Hitachi's or similar new screen.
 
Maybe there was a mistake during the manufacturing process of the monitor. From what your describing the response time would have to be somewhere around 50ms to be that bad. Maybe they labled a 50ms monitor with the wrong model name..unlikely but I guess it could happen. Or there is a major problem with your monitor. Are the drivers for your monitor and graphics card updated?

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Checked out a 191T at the shop. Same issues (pretty much) as the 191N I've got. I didn't see a need to drop the extra $400 on the digital version, so I'll make do with the one I've got.

I've got a driver problem however. Installed the driver off the CD, but now the monitor won't display properly. My display settings say "1280x1024@75hz" but the image is squashed horizontally and some of the letters of the text are blurry.

When I first plugged in the monitor and it was using the "plug and play monitor" drivers, it looked fine. Of course Windows won't let me boot without detecting the new monitor and installing its drivers.

Can't find a 191N driver on the Samsung site, and the 191T driver doesn't work.

Ideas?

Edit: "Auto" *seems* to have fixed the problem. I hope it stays that way.

- Alec

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You can remove all the drivers for the monitor. Do the following. Go to your search engine on the start bar. Type in 191N and let it find the files. Delete all the files with 191N in them. If you are using WinXP...go into the Windows directory and (make sure your tools setting is to show all hidden files)....then go into the INF directory and look for files OEM1 OEM2 and the like. There will be an OEM1.inf (looks like a wordpad document) and an OEM1.PNF. Click on every OEM file until you find the Samsung file. When You get the one that is listed as Samsung...delete it and it's accompanying OEMX.pnf file as well. Reboot and you will have "Plug and Play Monitor" as your default again.

Bob
 
Thanks guys, working well now. Played some BF1942 on the Stalingrad map. Obvious ghosting, but not as bad as I thought it would be. I don't even notice it anymore.

- Alec

"Something is only impossible until it's not."
 
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