Samsung: Consumers Know Which Device They're Using

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Can't distinguish?

So consumers are illiterate (can't read the words "Galaxy Tab" or "iPad" printed directly on the tablet) and stupid (don't look at the box of the product they are buying)? Yup, describes me to a "T."
 
I think this whole line of questioning is more along the lines of how many kids on christmas day are disappointing their parents got them a Playstation instead of an xbox (or viceversa). Or got an xbox instead of an xbox360. or a ps2 instead of a ps3.

Should PS3s now have stickers on them saying "NOT AN XBOX, not a PS2" and XBOXs have stickers saying "NOT A PS3"

The person who really wanted the thing, usually knows or figures it out.
They just are uninformed buyers, but weren't misled.

Unless they are truly misrepresenting the product like a Sorny or Panasorniac, or a Roolex.

If I were on the jury I'd say that is a BS argument and actually hold it against Apple's lawyers for trying to pull BS.
 
[citation][nom]Vorador2[/nom]Also, the big Samsung logo on the front of most Samsung devices. Apple and their experts seems to be consistently missing it.[/citation]
Don't forget, it's on the box too! Distinguishable by anyone who can read, before they even purchase it. Plus, it has nothing to do with the product, but with the box it comes in.
Ever since schools started teaching WHAT to think instead of HOW to think, humankind has gotten dumber and dumber. No, I don't think it can be fixed - people are too dumb to realize it needs fixing. All I can do is seek to make myself smarter.
 
[citation][nom]raytseng[/nom]Unless they are truly misrepresenting the product like a Sorny or Panasorniac, or a Roolex.[/citation]

Are you dissing my Roolex/ ;P
 
This case has become a daily source of entertainment for me. All my feelings about the legitimacy of the argument have been hashed out ad nauseam but now I am just reveling in the humor of Apple's arguments. The only possible scenario I could imagine someone confusing the two tablets or two smartphones would be if someone else was sent to the store to pick up an iPad or iPhone for someone else and was completely oblivious to product packaging and the massive amount of advertisements for both products they have surely seen.

I know there may be a small group of people who'd buy an electronic device for 100's of dollars without knowing what it is but their percentage of the total smartphone and tablet buyers must be negligible.
 
[citation][nom]Vorador2[/nom]Also, the big Samsung logo on the front of most Samsung devices. Apple and their experts seems to be consistently missing it.[/citation]

There is data to confirm that consumers are returning Samsung devices because they thought they were Apple. These are not made up #s which is stated to be 38% and from actual surveys, etc. Average consumers are clueless...heh.
 
Apple: "We believe people like you *points at jury* are too stupid to distinguish the difference between our and this ."


*Everyone votes for Samsung*
/End court battle

It's not Samsung's fault a consumer can't read... or tell the difference between logos.
 
[citation][nom]icemunk[/nom]Apple: "We think your customers are too stupid to tell the difference"[/citation]
More likely this ^^^^

[citation][nom]raytseng[/nom]Unless they are truly misrepresenting the product like a Sorny or Panasorniac, or a Roolex[/citation]
Did you know that Samsung is the Korean word for Apple?
 
[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]More likely this ^^^^[/citation]

Seems like you missed the last batch of Apple commercials. Next commercial to air includes teaching the alphabet, using as example the differences between the words Apple and Samsung, and presenting their new best friend, Lawyer Man.
 
[citation][nom]Vorador2[/nom]Seems like you missed the last batch of Apple commercials. Next commercial to air includes teaching the alphabet, using as example the differences between the words Apple and Samsung, and presenting their new best friend, Lawyer Man.[/citation]
Yeah, would Apple really call their own customers stupid? Even they aren't daft enough to do that in public.
 
if someone cant read the box how did they get a drivers licence, apple only want to prtect thier iconic brand name, but there are differences, the new Tab 2.0 is far better, just the build quality you can tell its not apple!
 
Most electronic stores ive been to usually have a section that's specifically Apple stuff and accessories, and another isle for other brands/accessories (crammed together).

Dunno how some people allegedly cant distinguish between a samsung and apple pad unless they are my 80 year old grand parents.
 
[citation][nom]icemunk[/nom]Apple: "We think our customers are too stupid to tell the difference"[/citation]

If you minutely follow their logic, they are saying customers are smart, and it's the copying that is the reason customers are confused.
It's actually the counterargument to Apple that customers are stupid.

But by just opening the can of worms, they are bringing up the subject of customer stupidity, so it doesn't matter if they are saying customers are smart and, whoever brings up the subject of customer stupidity gets associated with calling some customers stupid.

It's sort of like a loaded question used, like when they say "Candidate X now votes against wife beating " people start wondering, hey he beat his wife in the past or was for it.

 
But isn't all of this getting off topic of the original accusations? All Apple would have to do is convince the jury that Samsung's designs for things were close enough to Apple's designs of things that Samsung likely just copied them--and isn't that the whole point? Apple isn't accusing Samsung of making i-device clones, they're accusing them of "stealing" some of their designs and using them--and if the designs look similar, it shouldn't be difficult to convince a jury of sheep accordingly. Even if a device is distinguishable from the other, it can still have the same design features (and hence could be stolen). You don't need to prove that something looks identical in order to convince someone that they're pretty close (note--I think this whole lawsuit is retarded, and I hope Apple loses big time, but I can see this line of attack by Samsung yielding nothing for their case).

Anyhoo, the phrase "reasonable doubt" is probably the most important. Unless Apple can show that the idea of an icon for messaging or music did not exist until they built their UI, there's reasonable doubt to imply that Samsung and Apple could have arrived at the same or similar icons. Didn't we have similar icons in windows that pre-dated iOS?
 
[citation][nom]teh_chem[/nom]But isn't all of this getting off topic of the original accusations? All Apple would have to do is convince the **snip**n windows that pre-dated iOS?[/citation]

Samsung should just fire up an old episode of star trek; case closed. http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2010/8/12/0f2393b8-f628-4bb5-9a14-430d787bfdb9.jpg

its a rectangle, with rounded edges...the aspect ratio of the screen dictates the design: you want a screen, you want the smallest form factor possible, then you have a rectangle. add a bezel for holding and contrast.

My point is, a rectangle should not be eligible for patent. icons have been squares since icons existed, every single aspect of the iphone existed prior to its creation.

This should be thrown out of court, and apple fined for bringing it up. Let the courts get back to breaking their old, individuals in prison per capita, records.
 
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