Hi, my Yoga C930 has a Samsung 1TB drive. I connected an external Samsung T5 1TB SSD to my laptop to clone the internal drive to the external drive. When it started, it stated that cloning failed. When I clicked "This PC" on the desktop, only the internal SSD dhows up. The external T5 disappeared. What shall I do to make the T5 shows up again and clone all the entire internal SSD to the external SSD before I try to install Linux on my computer to make it a dual-boot system?
Question Samsung Data Migration not working and now my T5 SSD does not show up
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I installed Macrium Reflect and tried to clone. Although both internal and external SSD are advertised to be 1TB, the software shows that the internal one is 953.87GB while the internal one is 931.25GB. Since the target SSD is smaller, cloning command cannot be executed.
If I get a 2TB external drive and clone the internal one. Then, later on I want to return the internal SSD to original state (before cloning) by cloning back the external SSD back to the internal one, I may also encounter the same issue since then the external drive will be larger than the internal one.
How does this work?
On the Mac, some software allow the user to store other stuffs to the target disk after cloning but for other software, they don't. For example, if the internal source drive is 1TB and I use a 2TB target disk, after cloning, there is nothing left in the 2TB drive to store other things. What about Macrium Reflect?
If I get a 2TB external drive and clone the internal one. Then, later on I want to return the internal SSD to original state (before cloning) by cloning back the external SSD back to the internal one, I may also encounter the same issue since then the external drive will be larger than the internal one.
How does this work?
On the Mac, some software allow the user to store other stuffs to the target disk after cloning but for other software, they don't. For example, if the internal source drive is 1TB and I use a 2TB target disk, after cloning, there is nothing left in the 2TB drive to store other things. What about Macrium Reflect?
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Don't "clone" to the external. Instead, make an Image.
Mostly the same, but absolutely does not care about the physical drive sizes, only the actual consumed space.
You'll also need to create a Macrium Rescue USB. You'll probably need this later.
Mostly the same, but absolutely does not care about the physical drive sizes, only the actual consumed space.
You'll also need to create a Macrium Rescue USB. You'll probably need this later.
Thanks. I just followed this:
At 0.38, it says Clone this disk.
Anyway, I found another option to create an image and it went through without a problem.
What is the different between cloning and creating an image in this case? Why do I need to also create a Macrium Rescue USB? Is it for recovering the internal drive in the laptop using the image stored in the external drive?
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An "Image" is a representation of the drive (or whichever partitions you selected) in a single file. You can have multiple Images on a single physical drive.
A Clone is a single 'copy' of the whole drive to another drive. Cloning an internal to an external has major issues.
The Rescue thing is, yes, to be able to boot later, and recover that Image to some new internal drive.
At 0:18 in that vid, right next to the clicky for "Clone", there is a clicky for "Image this disk"
Do that.
A Clone is a single 'copy' of the whole drive to another drive. Cloning an internal to an external has major issues.
The Rescue thing is, yes, to be able to boot later, and recover that Image to some new internal drive.
At 0:18 in that vid, right next to the clicky for "Clone", there is a clicky for "Image this disk"
Do that.
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Clone means you can put your cloned disk in and everything will work (instant as soon as connected)
Image means it is a backup file, which you have to put back on another drive to get you back to where you were. (can take hours depending on size to copy and decompress it back onto your original hard disk)
Image means it is a backup file, which you have to put back on another drive to get you back to where you were. (can take hours depending on size to copy and decompress it back onto your original hard disk)
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Testing point:
Recovering 605GB Macrium Image (Full and several days of nightly Incrementals), from my NAS box, across the LAN, to a replacement SSD - 2 hrs 18 mins.
Had to do this for a replacement 1TB SanDisk that died suddenly.
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Why are you making this harder than it needs to be?
What is your purpose behind this "clone"? To have a backup of your drive while you do whatever with the dualboot Linux thing, right?
If so...forget this clone action.
Macrium Reflect
Image
Done.
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Why don't you do this, then you won't need to clone.
Remove your Original disk, put new one in and install linux?
Remove your Original disk, put new one in and install linux?
I created an image already but then I read about the 2+ hours of recovery and the convenience that "everything will work (instant as soon as connected)".
The purpose is as following:
Got a Yoga C930. Want to make sure that it fits my needs for the next few years within the return period. One important thing is dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux as well as silency under Linux. Ordered a Samsung 970 Evo 2TB SSD over a week ago. For whatever reason, Amazon did not ship it to me. Cancelled it and tried to order from another store. Then, the price went up. Waiting for the next chance. Meanwhile, want to do dual-boot on the internal SSD. Worry that I may screw up and delete the partitions created by Lenovo to recover the laptop to factory state in case it does not work out.
The purpose is as following:
Got a Yoga C930. Want to make sure that it fits my needs for the next few years within the return period. One important thing is dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux as well as silency under Linux. Ordered a Samsung 970 Evo 2TB SSD over a week ago. For whatever reason, Amazon did not ship it to me. Cancelled it and tried to order from another store. Then, the price went up. Waiting for the next chance. Meanwhile, want to do dual-boot on the internal SSD. Worry that I may screw up and delete the partitions created by Lenovo to recover the laptop to factory state in case it does not work out.
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That "2 hour recovery" was for almost a full terabyte, across the LAN, from spinning hard drives.
Internal or directly connected drives would be much faster.
And it's not like you have to sit and watch it.
To me, it looks like all you're wanting to do is make a "backup" of the current setup, then move on and experiment with the dualboot.
Correct?
A clone is only really useful if you are switching drives, to use the new one 'right now'.
Otherwise, you're looking to make a backup for safekeeping, in case things go wrong.
Make an image.
If you had done that when I first suggested it, you'd be long done and off into your dualboot experimentation.
Internal or directly connected drives would be much faster.
And it's not like you have to sit and watch it.
To me, it looks like all you're wanting to do is make a "backup" of the current setup, then move on and experiment with the dualboot.
Correct?
A clone is only really useful if you are switching drives, to use the new one 'right now'.
Otherwise, you're looking to make a backup for safekeeping, in case things go wrong.
Make an image.
If you had done that when I first suggested it, you'd be long done and off into your dualboot experimentation.
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And Bonus...if you make an Image, you can use the rest of the drive for whatever you like, with no magic software or procedures.
An Image is literally just a single file, of slightly smaller than the contents of the source drive.
Bonus 2, you can store multiple Images on a single drive. This is the basis for a comprehensive backup routine.
I have an Image of Day 1 and Day 2 of all my systems.
Day 1 = when the OS was first installed
Day 2 = after all OS updates and my basic load of software
Then, ongoing backups.
5 systems, 11 drives, multiple days of Full/Incremental/Differential...all stored in a single top level folder, and then subfolders for each system and its individual drives.
Bonus 3, via the magic of Macrium, you can mount an Image as a folder in Windows, and retrieve a single file.
"Oh, I need the copy of my resume from last Tuesday". No problem. And don't have to recover the entire drive contents.
An Image is literally just a single file, of slightly smaller than the contents of the source drive.
Bonus 2, you can store multiple Images on a single drive. This is the basis for a comprehensive backup routine.
I have an Image of Day 1 and Day 2 of all my systems.
Day 1 = when the OS was first installed
Day 2 = after all OS updates and my basic load of software
Then, ongoing backups.
5 systems, 11 drives, multiple days of Full/Incremental/Differential...all stored in a single top level folder, and then subfolders for each system and its individual drives.
Bonus 3, via the magic of Macrium, you can mount an Image as a folder in Windows, and retrieve a single file.
"Oh, I need the copy of my resume from last Tuesday". No problem. And don't have to recover the entire drive contents.
Thanks. Yes, I had made an image as you suggested originally. My confusion is:
In this case, does the creation of the image backups just files in the C Windows partition or all the partitions (including hidden ones) that Lenovo created?
The ability for the laptop to recover to its original factory state is mysterious to me. Is there a hidden/secret partition in the internal SSD that Lenovo created so that when it is called upon by Windows, it returns the laptop to brand new factory state?
In this case, does the creation of the image backups just files in the C Windows partition or all the partitions (including hidden ones) that Lenovo created?
The ability for the laptop to recover to its original factory state is mysterious to me. Is there a hidden/secret partition in the internal SSD that Lenovo created so that when it is called upon by Windows, it returns the laptop to brand new factory state?
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The Image contains the full (mostly) contents of whatever partitions you selected in the process.
'Mostly', because it leaves off irrelevant things, like the pagefile.
Lenovo recovery?
However they instituted it. Some manufacturers have a full recovery partition, that will bring it back to out of the box condition.
This, of course, is useless if the drive dies, or if you overwrite it during some other operation. Like installing another OS for a dualboot.
It is required per MS licensing rules that the manufacture of a preinstalled system give you the opportunity to 'reinstall'.
It used to be, there were one or more DVD's in the box it came in. To save a dollar or two, this is now just another partition on that drive. Generally, a hidden partition. Probably visible only in the Disk Management window.
This will, in theory, give you the opportunity to make your own DVD set. How to invoke is outlined in your user manual. Again, that is useless if the drive were to die, or that data be overwritten.
It is far better that you do your own backup routine, and do not depend on that hidden partition.
'Mostly', because it leaves off irrelevant things, like the pagefile.
Lenovo recovery?
However they instituted it. Some manufacturers have a full recovery partition, that will bring it back to out of the box condition.
This, of course, is useless if the drive dies, or if you overwrite it during some other operation. Like installing another OS for a dualboot.
It is required per MS licensing rules that the manufacture of a preinstalled system give you the opportunity to 'reinstall'.
It used to be, there were one or more DVD's in the box it came in. To save a dollar or two, this is now just another partition on that drive. Generally, a hidden partition. Probably visible only in the Disk Management window.
This will, in theory, give you the opportunity to make your own DVD set. How to invoke is outlined in your user manual. Again, that is useless if the drive were to die, or that data be overwritten.
It is far better that you do your own backup routine, and do not depend on that hidden partition.
Thank you. Before Year 2000, Thinkpads that I bought came with a CD/DVD for recovery. So I did not have to worry about what I am worrying now. I just tried doing things and if it did not work, pop in the recovery disk.
I went to Disk Management and found three partitions:
260MB EFI System Partition
952.62MB Windows-SSD (C: )
WINRE_DRV 1000 MB NTFS Normal (OEM Partition)
Is the last one the partition used to bring the computer back to out of box condition?
If I install Linux now and later use Macrium Reflect to create a new image, will that image includes both Windows and Linux partitions?
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Yes, 20 years ago, systems came with one or more DVD's in the box. And a full printed user manual book.
20 years ago.
That last partition? Maybe. What size is it?
An Image made with Macrium will include whatever drives and/or partitions you select.
20 years ago.
That last partition? Maybe. What size is it?
An Image made with Macrium will include whatever drives and/or partitions you select.
It is 1000 MB.
Once the dual-boot system is working fine and a 2TB SSD is available, how do I move everything from the current 1TB SSD to the 2TB SSD using the image file? By somehow recovering the image file to the new drive?
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1000MB (aka 1GB) is not any factory recovery thing from Lenovo. That would need to be 10-15-20GB.
How to recover to a 2TB drive? This depends on what you want the outcome to be.
If you have the dualboot running with no issues, why would you recover the original Image thing to the 2TB?
But anyway...this is what the Macrium Rescue USB is for.
You put in a new drive, boot from that Rescue USB.
One of the obvious options will be to Recover.
Select that, and locate the Image you created earlier.
Then, tell it what physical drive to recover to.
Go.
This is standard Macrium functionality, and should actually be practiced before a drive dies and you really need it.
Know the procedure before the panic sets in.
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To move the whole fully functioning 1TB dualboot thing to a new 2TB?
This is where the clone operation can come in.
From within Windows, run Macrium, and do the clone thing.
Thusly:
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Specific steps for a successful clone operation:
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Verify the actual used space on the current drive is significantly below the size of the new SSD
Download and install Macrium Reflect (or Samsung Data Migration, if a Samsung SSD)
Power off
Disconnect ALL drives except the current C and the new SSD
Power up
Run the Macrium Reflect (or Samsung Data Migration)
Select ALL the partitions on the existing C drive
Click the 'Clone' button
Wait until it is done
When it finishes, power off
Disconnect ALL drives except for the new SSD
This is to allow the system to try to boot from ONLY the SSD
Swap the SATA cables around so that the new drive is connected to the same SATA port as the old drive
Power up, and verify the BIOS boot order
If good, continue the power up
It should boot from the new drive, just like the old drive.
Maybe reboot a time or two, just to make sure.
If it works, and it should, all is good.
Later, reconnect the old drive and wipe all partitions on it.
This will probably require the commandline diskpart function, and the clean command.
Ask questions if anything is unclear.
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Internalize and understand the different use cases for a clone and an Image.
A clone is to swap the contents of an entire drive or partition to some new drive, right now.
An Image is mostly for backup purposes, in case whatever experimentation you're doing fails. Or the drive fails. Or you fall victim to a ransomware attack.
An Image can also be used to swap contents of one drive to another, if you have only one internal slot. Such as a laptop with only 1 M.2 port.
But that is beyond the scope of this discussion.
How to recover to a 2TB drive? This depends on what you want the outcome to be.
If you have the dualboot running with no issues, why would you recover the original Image thing to the 2TB?
But anyway...this is what the Macrium Rescue USB is for.
You put in a new drive, boot from that Rescue USB.
One of the obvious options will be to Recover.
Select that, and locate the Image you created earlier.
Then, tell it what physical drive to recover to.
Go.
This is standard Macrium functionality, and should actually be practiced before a drive dies and you really need it.
Know the procedure before the panic sets in.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To move the whole fully functioning 1TB dualboot thing to a new 2TB?
This is where the clone operation can come in.
From within Windows, run Macrium, and do the clone thing.
Thusly:
-----------------------------
Specific steps for a successful clone operation:
-----------------------------
Verify the actual used space on the current drive is significantly below the size of the new SSD
Download and install Macrium Reflect (or Samsung Data Migration, if a Samsung SSD)
Power off
Disconnect ALL drives except the current C and the new SSD
Power up
Run the Macrium Reflect (or Samsung Data Migration)
Select ALL the partitions on the existing C drive
Click the 'Clone' button
Wait until it is done
When it finishes, power off
Disconnect ALL drives except for the new SSD
This is to allow the system to try to boot from ONLY the SSD
Swap the SATA cables around so that the new drive is connected to the same SATA port as the old drive
Power up, and verify the BIOS boot order
If good, continue the power up
It should boot from the new drive, just like the old drive.
Maybe reboot a time or two, just to make sure.
If it works, and it should, all is good.
Later, reconnect the old drive and wipe all partitions on it.
This will probably require the commandline diskpart function, and the clean command.
Ask questions if anything is unclear.
-----------------------------
Internalize and understand the different use cases for a clone and an Image.
A clone is to swap the contents of an entire drive or partition to some new drive, right now.
An Image is mostly for backup purposes, in case whatever experimentation you're doing fails. Or the drive fails. Or you fall victim to a ransomware attack.
An Image can also be used to swap contents of one drive to another, if you have only one internal slot. Such as a laptop with only 1 M.2 port.
But that is beyond the scope of this discussion.
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