Samsung SM951 128GB And 256GB SSD Review

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Nice review.
It'd be a shame to see this eventually end up as a 2 horse race intel vs. samsung.
Here's to hoping marvell and others step up this year.
 
Now we need articles telling us the difference in performance from one motherboard to the next, if any for their built in M2 slots. For example how does an ASUS motherboard compare to say ASRock, etc.
 

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I would think that the biggest "difference in performance" would be between how many, and what generation, PCIe lanes the MB assigns to the M2 slot -- affecting the bandwidth available to the drive. Most "9-Series" MB only toss a couple of 2nd-Gen lanes, resulting in performance not much better than SATA. A few 9-Series MBs peel off some 3rd-Gen lanes from the graphics slot, and most X99 have 3rd Gen lanes to burn so assign a full four of them to the M2.
 

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# Sorry for previous comment, I pressed something * :p * and no edit / delete buddon in view :-/ #

I'm really hoping for that editorial mentioned in this review. It's unbelivable that last mechanical HDD reviewed by Tom's Hardware was 4TB Seagate in July 2013 !! We've since gone to 8TB drives, new technologies, and so on. I know SSDs are future, but there are still millions of old fashioned HDDs sold each year. I still can't afford a 10TB storage build solely from SSDs.

So please, do a proper editorial, include everything from Intel 750 and new SM951 NVMe editions, performance SATA SSDs, lower end SATA SSDs, speedy SATA HDDs, large archival "green" HDDs, etc. Keep in mind that people have diverse needs. I want a relatively large SSD in my desktop, but one I can actually afford (not costing more than either CPU or GPU), I want a speedy yet small SSD for my laptop, and can afford more $/GB here because I don't need a 1TB drive, but I want it to have good performance per watt, and I also want large storage drive(s) for desktop, but we're always looking for good performance per $$$ spent. These are widely different categories, and some haven't been covered by Tom's in years.

Also, when doing the editorial, please keep the charts of "real-world performance" in seconds. It really is a better way to see where to draw the line. If a test lasts 5 minutes and a 1000$ drive shaves 5 seconds over 100$ drive, I don't want to spend extreme $$$$ for those 5 seconds. OK, someone will want to shave even those 5 seconds, but give us info so we can make our buying decisions.

I personaly am planning on building new PC, AND buying a new laptop, and I really want to make an optimal build(s) where I can decide how many GB/TB I'll appoint in SSDs, and how much in storage HDDs. SSD is getting cheaper all the time, but it's still not THAT cheap if your needs are measured in range of 10TB that you can just go buy some blindly.

As for last few SSD reviews, they really paint an interesting picture, and even more so makes me ask some questions like above. If you overlap some charts, and you're not a heavy workstation user, it does seem that any SSD drive will do for 99% of tasks.. and saving some serious money and investing it in other subsystems is probably a wise choice, instead of just going after benchmark numbers. I'm way past the "my benchmark is bigger than yours", and if it isn't translated in performance that you can percieve with our limited human senses - it's simply a number on paper, no more.
 

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Two questions come to mind,

Do Z97 motherboards with M.2 slots use Sata or PCI-E?

and, Do video cards installed on a motherboard with an occupied PCI-E M.2 slot operate at x8 bandwidth or at the full x16?
 

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@LuxZg - I don't see much point in doing performance reviews for mechanical hard drives, other than to show just how much faster SSDs are in comparison. I'm at the point where if I get a mechanical hard drive, it's for archival reasons, and therefore a 5400RPM hard drive is sufficient. It's slower than 7200RPM drives, but I value noise (or rather, lack thereof) over speed when it comes to mechanical storage that I use for archiving. Therefore, the only benchmark metric I care about when it comes to mechanical storage is how quiet (or not) the drive is.

Ultimately, I'd like to move completely away from mechanical storage. But it will be a few years until a 4TB SSD is affordable. Sure, mechanical storage may retain a $/GB edge, but there comes a point when solid state storage is plentiful and large enough that mechanical hard drives will join tape drives as an archive only format that will fade off into computing history as SSDs become large enough to meet most people's needs as both a system and archival drive.
 
I remember other "interim technologies." Personally, I wouldn't consider getting an m.2 drive until I could have nvme and 4 lanes - they are coming so soon, and the advantage will be so great.

By the way, I've built my own systems for some time and this is the first time I have ever considered waiting for the next great thing to come out. It's so much more difference than the usual increment.
 

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I think it´s no good using it with a Z97 platform, since there are only 16 pcie lanes available, so these ssds may split to 8x for both, which is the case of the Impact vii. Go for X99.
 

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I think it´s no good using it with a Z97 platform, since there are only 16 pcie lanes available, so these ssds may split to 8x for both, which is the case of the Impact vii. Go for X99.
The SM951 uses 4 lanes, the XP941 uses 2.
 


On a Z97 platform the M.2 slot is wired to the Z97 chipset that uses two of the available eight PCI Express 2.0 lanes available from the Z97 chipset itself and has nothing to do with the sixteen PCI Express 3.0 lanes wired to the CPU socket that are dedicated to the graphics card(s) slots.
 

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The reason why they don't do it in seconds because there's really little difference between these SSDs anymore. Any SSD you could buy today is vastly superior to any HDD.

Yet, I appreciate these m.2 drives as they are compact versus a 2.5". Performance or battery life doesn't matter much.

I have seen benchmarks of NVMe drives but the performance means little for client workloads.

"Also, when doing the editorial, please keep the charts of "real-world performance" in seconds. It really is a better way to see where to draw the line. If a test lasts 5 minutes and a 1000$ drive shaves 5 seconds over 100$ drive, I don't want to spend extreme $$$$ for those 5 seconds. OK, someone will want to shave even those 5 seconds, but give us info so we can make our buying decisions."
 

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So the Samsung SM951 has a sequential read Up to 2150MB/s and a sequential Write Up to 1500MB/s. So this means it's 3 times faster than the other ssd's in sequential Write and 4 times faster in sequential read? I've never seen SSD like this.
 

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This isn't a set thing in the chipset. Each motherboard can be configured to use different lanes and different protocols. Thomas usually does a good job in his reviews of mentioning how an M.2 slot is treated.
 

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On a Z97 platform the M.2 slot is wired to the Z97 chipset that uses two of the available eight PCI Express 2.0 lanes available from the Z97 chipset itself and has nothing to do with the sixteen PCI Express 3.0 lanes wired to the CPU socket that are dedicated to the graphics card(s) slots.
Generally that's true. The exception is the ASRock Z97 Extreme6 / Extreme9 which has an 'Ultra M.2' socket with 4x PCIe 3.0 lanes wired directly to the CPU.
 

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http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VII_IMPACT/specifications/
Go to the end where you can read "notes". Understand now?
 

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Where did you see that? So that´s 12 lanes for video and 4 lanes for the ultra m.2 socket?
 

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I still don't know whether we are going to have 10xM.2 10xPCIe slots or some other connector for future SSDs

I went with PCIe for my build only 5 gen3 though
 

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I'm so glad we have a lively group here. I enjoy engaging in conversations like this.

I plan to write HDD reviews here at Tom's Hardware but need a little time to get that segment going. NAS and external storage is a few days out but some of those products will be published this month.

After that I'll turn my attention to desktop HDDs. We already have an article in the works that compares all of the NAS HDDs.
 

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Where did you see that? So that´s 12 lanes for video and 4 lanes for the ultra m.2 socket?
It's probably best to just read the review here on Toms: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/enthusiast-z97-motherboard-overclock,3893-2.html
 
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