News Samsung's Galaxy laptop upgraded with fanless cooler, unlocking 50% more performance and 16% larger battery — Frore to demo solid state laptop cool...

[Admin]

Samsung and Frore Systems have joined hands to produce one of the first laptops with a solid-state cooling solution.

Samsung's Galaxy laptop upgraded with fanless cooler, unlocking 50% more performance and 16% larger battery — Frore to demo solid state laptop cool... : Read more

 

[toffty]

I'm excited to see more of Froe's cooler and want to see if they take this to desktopa too. Silent 120mm fans? Yes pls!
Just need to see how ozone and dust collection is like
Confused this with something else. Ignore 😵

 

[bit_user]

I'm excited to see more of Froe's cooler and want to see if they take this to desktopa too. Silent 120mm fans? Yes pls!

That's not a good fit for their technology. I think Frore's solution works best when mounted on the heatsink and would always have a tunnel aspect ratio to it. The two could have something to do with each other, but I don't imagine we'll see this technology in a 120 mm or even 90 mm case fan form factor. Perhaps it's technically feasible, but would be impractically expensive and still might not move very much air.

Here's the best explanation I could find, on this site:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ultrasonic-solild-state-cooling-system
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Just need to see how ozone and dust collection is like

No, that's Ventiva. Frore uses MEMS.

 

[toffty]

That's not a good fit for their technology. I think Frore's solution works best when mounted on the heatsink and would always have a tunnel aspect ratio to it. The two could have something to do with each other, but I don't imagine we'll see this technology in a 120 mm or even 90 mm case fan form factor. Perhaps it's technically feasible, but would be impractically expensive and still might not move very much air.

Here's the best explanation I could find, on this site:

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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ultrasonic-solild-state-cooling-system​

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No, that's Ventiva. Frore uses MEMS.

Oops, I got the two confused 😵
Thanks for the correction! My original post is null haha

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

That's not a good fit for their technology. I think Frore's solution works best when mounted on the heatsink and would always have a tunnel aspect ratio to it. The two could have something to do with each other, but I don't imagine we'll see this technology in a 120 mm or even 90 mm case fan form factor. Perhaps it's technically feasible, but would be impractically expensive and still might not move very much air.

Here's the best explanation I could find, on this site:

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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ultrasonic-solild-state-cooling-system​

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No, that's Ventiva. Frore uses MEMS.

I think the Frore solution will be more niche.

Ventiva will eat its lunch and be the game changer cooling tech, assuming it can pass air quality emissions regulations. That's the biggest thing holding it back IMO

 

[thestryker]

Frore keep showing good designs, but in the consumer sector the only device I'm aware of shipping with them is the Zotac minipc. I can't imagine there's any cost issue for a premium thin and light so it makes me wonder where the issue is.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Frore keep showing good designs, but in the consumer sector the only device I'm aware of shipping with them is the Zotac minipc. I can't imagine there's any cost issue for a premium thin and light so it makes me wonder where the issue is.

Cost of is the biggest issue. Frore isn't going to be as cheap as you think it is.

 

[thestryker]

Cost of is the biggest issue. Frore isn't going to be as cheap as you think it is.

Nobody has a clue what the cost is, but even if the BoM is +$50 in the premium space having better performance and a bigger battery is easily a selling point that can raise the price along with it.

 

[Notton]

I think the Frore solution will be more niche.

Ventiva will eat its lunch and be the game changer cooling tech, assuming it can pass air quality emissions regulations. That's the biggest thing holding it back IMO

Already attempted in the past as various DIY modifications and commercial attempts.
Never caught on.

2013: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/lcsok/ionic_air_purifier_in_a_pc/
2009: https://www.technologyreview.com/2009/05/19/213056/a-laptop-cooled-with-ionic-wind/
2006: https://www.inventgeek.com/ionic-wind-pc-cooling/

There's even someone who took a mini Ionic Pro tower and modified it to fit into the front of a PC case, although I can't find the link anymore.
Looking at whatever remains on the internet, this was attempted as far back as 2005 with no success.

Frore's design is superior in tight spaces.
A regular fan is better for everything else.

 

[heffeque]

12w to 18w power consumption... Green arrow up instead of red.

Samsung, we know that you treat your clients as if they were dumb, but that's just laughing at them a bit too much.

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Edit: OK it seems that "Performance" is mislabeled in the graph and should read "Power Dissipation" (face-palm)

 

[nrdwka]

Battery looks enormous, somehow have less capacity compared to 72Wh, 7 years old 14" lg gram design 🤔

 

[bit_user]

Edit: OK it seems that "Performance" is mislabeled in the graph and should read "Power Dissipation" (face-palm)

If you look at it from the perspective of the cooling system, then it makes sense to say call it "performance". A better-performing cooling system removes more heat, which means it can cope with more power consumption by the heat-generating components.

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[bit_user]

Battery looks enormous, somehow have less capacity compared to 72Wh, 7 years old 14" lg gram design 🤔

You're only looking at it in 2 dimensions. Keep in mind that the laptop is very thin (presumably thinner than the older design you reference).

 

[nrdwka]

You're only looking at it in 2 dimensions. Keep in mind that the laptop is very thin (presumably thinner than the older design you reference).

Still my 14z980 on spec 160g lighter than galaxy 🤔