Transcript from a conversation; sorry about the digression part way through. Does he know what he is talking about.
[11:12:11 AM] Hi, my name is Srivathsa. How may I help you?
[11:12:50 AM] steve jones: hi i've previously asked #111005-000002 i'd like a clarification on the answer you've given me
[11:12:59 AM] steve jones: can you see that question.
[11:13:29 AM] Srivathsa: Hi Steve, Yes, please give me a min
[11:13:58 AM] steve jones: i'd lke to simultaneously use a GTX470 and the igpu from a i5-2500K on two different monitors
[11:14:08 AM] steve jones: is the short version
[11:14:27 AM] Srivathsa: Yes I see the response from our tech Kishen
[11:14:58 AM] Srivathsa: I apologize, we cannot use both the onboard graphic adapter and also the NVIDIA GTX 470 GPU
[11:15:05AM] steve jones: he talks about a second add-in gpu, there is no second add-in gpu, its the igpu on the 2500k, which I know is similar
[11:15:26 AM] steve jones: I thoiught win7 could cope with multiple graphics drivers
[11:16:42 AM] Srivathsa: I am sorry, its not OS specific, BIOS itself would disable the onboard VGA adater when any graphic card placed on any PCI Express slots of the motherboard
[11:17:02 AM] Srivathsa: However, please let me know, are you looking for using two monitor or three?
[11:17:11 AM] steve jones: just 2,
[11:17:18 AM] Srivathsa: GTX 470 can support both the monitors simulataneously
[11:17:44 AM] steve jones: and i thought with virtu you could choose which was primary,and therefore they are both active, even if one isn't doing much
[11:17:48 AM] Srivathsa: We need not use any other graphic card and onboard VGA anyways cannot be usable
[11:17:59 AM] steve jones: if I put both monitors on the 470 then it does not idle
[11:18:10 AM] Srivathsa: Yes, we can choose the primary display from NVIDIA Control panel
[11:18:11 AM] steve jones: and that generates a lot of heat and noise
[11:18:31 AM] steve jones: so thats why I have a 210 for the 2nd monitor
[11:18:55 AM] Srivathsa: No, the card is designed to handle both the monitors and thus there wont be any heat issues on the card using two monitors
[11:19:20 AM] steve jones: no the card does not idle and stays atfull 3d clocks when there are two monitors
[11:19:38 AM] steve jones: its says so in your manual and i have discussed this with you before,
[11:19:52 AM] Srivathsa: Yes, the card will provide signal on both the monitors
[11:19:50 AM] steve jones: but the 210 resolves that problem
[11:20:27 AM] steve jones: yes it will, but it will only do windows desktop when running at full speed there is no idling when two moitors are used
[11:20:32 AM] Srivathsa: Please clarify, is one of the monitor is 3D ?
[11:20:45 AM] Srivathsa: You said 3D clock
[11:20:51 AM] Srivathsa: So I am asking
[11:20:51 AM] steve jones: no 3d monitors,
[11:20:55 AM] Srivathsa😱kay
[11:21:24 AM] Srivathsa: In that case as well, even if both the monitors are working, we dont see any heat issues on the GTX 470
[11:21:27 AM] steve jones: just running at clocks as if it is running a game, i.e. 607 core vs 50 core for just plain widows
[11:21:50 AM] Srivathsa: I understand, Game is a full screen application
[11:22:02 AM] Srivathsa: it always run on the primary monitor
[11:22:04 AM] steve jones: its more that fact that it uses about 50-60 more watts when at full clocks vs idle clocks
[11:22:20 AM] Srivathsa: second monitor will only have its desktop background
[11:22:29 AM] steve jones: game is only on main screen, second screen isother stuff, and hence the 210 is plenty
[11:22:35 AM] steve jones: speedfan, precision etc.
[11:23:12 AM] Srivathsa: I understand, Even if the game is running on primary, a video is running on secondary, Still GTX 470 will handle both
[11:23:23 AM] Srivathsa: Without any heat issues
[11:23:40 AM] Srivathsa: If incase there is any heat observed, then the graphic card is defective
[11:23:49 AM] steve jones: oh yes it will handle both quite happily, its actually when i'm just running windows on its own that i have the concern
[11:23:51 AM] Srivathsa: and that can be replaced under warranty
[11:24:01 AM] steve jones: idle clocks are very low yes?
[11:24:15 AM] stevejones: loaded clocks are very high yes
[11:24:18 AM] steve jones: ?
[11:24:23 AM] Srivathsa: Yes, GPU usage will be very low when idle
[11:24:37 AM] steve jones: this is true only when you use one monitor
[11:24:55 AM] Srivathsa: and GPU usage would be near 100 % while playing graphic intensive game
[11:25:25 AM] Srivathsa: No, even while using two monitors, it holds good.
[11:25:30 AM] steve jones: correct, in windows with dual screens you get high clocks and low gpu usage this still equals lots of power
[11:25:37 AM] steve jones: hang on a sec
[11:25:46 AM] Srivathsa: Clock speeds on the card is standar
[11:25:57 AM] Srivathsa: standard* sorry, Okay Iam on hold
[11:26:20 AM] steve jones: in your realease notes for 280.26
[11:27:55 AM] steve jones: GPU Runs at a High Performance Level (full clock speeds) in
Multi-display Modes
This is a hardware limitation and not a software bug. Even when no 3D programs are
running, the driver will operate the GPU at a high performance level in order to
efficiently drive multiple displays.
When multiple displays are connected and active, the GPU will always operate with full
clock speeds in order to efficiently
[11:28:21 AM] Srivathsa: yes i see that
[11:28:20 AM] steve jones: page 37 from your document release notes 280.26
[11:29:32 AM] steve jones: this is what I mean, dual monitors foce high clocks all of thetime, hence I want to use the 2500's own GPU on a z68 board to power a second monitor and not the 210 that I have as a second card
[11:30:07 AM] steve jones: the machine is also my work machine and is very noisy in excel/std windows apps if I run dual screens both off the 470
[11:30:26 AM] Srivathsa: I understand, but unless we disable the onboard GPU, we cannot get the NVIDIA graphic card working
[11:30:37 AM] steve jones: thats fine, so it won't wor
[11:30:39 AM] steve jones: k
[11:30:51 AM] Srivathsa: So, unfortunately we cannot get both working
[11:31:11 AM] steve jones: OK, that just means i need to choose a mobo with enough pci-e lanes
[11:31:16 AM] steve jones: to cope with two cards
[11:31:42 AM]steve jones: I know bandwdith is not really a problem yet, even at x8,
[11:31:56 AM] Srivathsa: Yes, With the two PCI Express slots
[11:32:08 AM] steve jones: but i'm hoping that the 600/700 series gpus will be a lot more powerful
[11:32:31 AM] Srivathsa: Its preferred to choose the one with both the slots as PCI Express X 16 slots
[11:32:39 AM] Srivathsa: bandwidth does matter
[11:32:47 AM] steve jones: I probably need 3 as i want to run x16/x8 or x16/x4, and use a pci-e 4 slot for the second
[11:33:08 AM] steve jones: bandwidth is not saturated on x8 yet,
[11:33:13 AM] steve jones: but i want future poof
[11:33:43 AM] steve jones: anyway I now know what I am looking for
[11:34:34 AM] Srivathsa: okay, Please see this web link
[11:34:34 AM] Srivathsa: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P67_PRO/
[11:34:51 AM] steve jones: I want Z68, so I can use quicksync
[11:34:52 AM] Srivathsa: This kind of motherboard can run both the GTX 470 and also the GeForce 210
[11:35:16 AM] Srivathsa: Okay, Then please verify for motherboards with two PCI Express slots
[11:35:28 AM] steve jones: but it will only run at x8/x8 yes?
[11:35:48 AM] steve jones: thats fine, I can look now for myself, thankyou for your help
[11:36:10 AM] Srivathsa: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1699/1/
[11:36:29 AM] Srivathsa:http://www.anandtech.com/show/4330/
[11:36:35 AM] Srivathsa: I hope these web links would help
[11:36:39 AM] Srivathsa: Thank you,
[11:36:46 AM] Srivathsa: Have a great day !!
[11:36:48 AM] steve jones: very familar with anand and toms
[11:36:51 AM] steve jones: thanks
[11:36:56 AM] steve jones: will this get emailed to me/
[11:36:59 AM] Srivathsa: Okay
[11:36:58 AM] steve jones: /
[11:36:59 AM] steve jones: ?
[11:37:12 AM] Srivathsa: Yes this chat conversation will be emaile
[11:37:17 AM] Srivathsa:
[11:37:20 AM] steve jones: cool. thanks
[11:37:29 AM]Srivathsa: You are welcome
[11:37:32 AM] Srivathsa: and also,
[11:37:33 AM] steve jones: have a god evening/morning
[11:37:37 AM] steve jones: good
[11:37:49 AM] 'steve jones' disconnected ('Concluded by End-user').
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