Sanitizing the countryside

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Come off it!

I do get rather tired of people trying to sanitize the
countryside. Up here, the ground will be so frozen from January
you wouldn't get a pick into it, let alone bury a gralloch!

Animals don't die in a heap? Then you have never seen the
results of a bad snow storm after prolonged hard weather --
heaps of red deer or Black Faced sheep frozen to death in some
hollow where they had attempted to shelter from the wind and
keep warm by crowding together. Would three wheel barrow loads
of corpses removed from laying pens qualify after one fox got in
for one night?

I really get rather angry when people expect the countryside to
be something on a par to Hyde Park or Kensington Gardens.Perhaps
we should petition David Attenborough to cut the scenes in his
documentaries where the young lion practice killing some poor
wildebeest?

Having suffered something akin to the Spanish Inquisition to get
licenced to get dirty tripe for my dogs, I now find I am to be
subjected to a quarterly inspection. Ye gods! The world has gone
mad!

Derry

 

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Well said - couldnt agree more... I'm trying to open a Gamedealers here at the
moment to supply smoked venison amoungst other game - absolute bloody
nightmare.

I sometimes think it would be better to ship up and ship out to a country that
has some morals and a decent government to back it.

matt

 

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Derry Argue <derry(delete)@adviegundogs.co.uk> wrote in
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> Come off it!
>
> I do get rather tired of people trying to sanitize the
> countryside. Up here, the ground will be so frozen from January
> you wouldn't get a pick into it, let alone bury a gralloch!

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the countryside should be
sanitized.
I would suggest that during the winter any offal/intestines would be
quickly consumed, so the hazard of leaving it in the open would be less.
If not, it would freeze and the biological hazard reduced.

>
> Animals don't die in a heap? Then you have never seen the
> results of a bad snow storm after prolonged hard weather --
> heaps of red deer or Black Faced sheep frozen to death in some
> hollow where they had attempted to shelter from the wind and
> keep warm by crowding together. Would three wheel barrow loads
> of corpses removed from laying pens qualify after one fox got in
> for one night?

Of course animals “die in a heap” but this isn’t the OP point.
The fact that a fox killed your chickens has obviously effected you,
right?
So what actions do you now take to stop another fox killing more
chickens?
The fact that the OP was effected by gralloch *is* IMHO a point of
concern.

>
> I really get rather angry when people expect the countryside to
> be something on a par to Hyde Park or Kensington Gardens.Perhaps
> we should petition David Attenborough to cut the scenes in his
> documentaries where the young lion practice killing some poor
> wildebeest?

I really get angry when people don’t think and leave a mess.
Shooter are as bad as any other group, I have seen dozens of cases where
a pigeon shooter has made a bloody terrible mess and left it all for
some one else to sort out. I was always taught to respect other people’s
property and when I go shooting, I leave the place looking much as I
found it.
Covering the gralloch or leaving it in a place where it wouldn’t have
cause offence isn’t the hardest thing to do.

>
> Having suffered something akin to the Spanish Inquisition to get
> licenced to get dirty tripe for my dogs, I now find I am to be
> subjected to a quarterly inspection. Ye gods! The world has gone
> mad!

I don’t think the OP has gone mad, I would get angry if I was walking
through the woods and found a pile of deer heads and guts, and after all
it cost nothing to be considerate.

John

 

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"Derry Argue" <derry(delete)@adviegundogs.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Come off it!
>
> I do get rather tired of people trying to sanitize the
> countryside. Up here, the ground will be so frozen from January
> you wouldn't get a pick into it, let alone bury a gralloch!
>
> Animals don't die in a heap? Then you have never seen the
> results of a bad snow storm after prolonged hard weather --
> heaps of red deer or Black Faced sheep frozen to death in some
> hollow where they had attempted to shelter from the wind and
> keep warm by crowding together. Would three wheel barrow loads
> of corpses removed from laying pens qualify after one fox got in
> for one night?
>
> I really get rather angry when people expect the countryside to
> be something on a par to Hyde Park or Kensington Gardens.Perhaps
> we should petition David Attenborough to cut the scenes in his
> documentaries where the young lion practice killing some poor
> wildebeest?
>
> Having suffered something akin to the Spanish Inquisition to get
> licenced to get dirty tripe for my dogs, I now find I am to be
> subjected to a quarterly inspection. Ye gods! The world has gone


Hi, All!

Yes, I'm well annoyed by those who want to sanitize our countryside

Here in Devon, these uncomprehending people are always trying to sanitise
our traditional countryside.

All they want is songbirds, these bunny-hugging folk. They just don't
understand the countryside, and the need to the sanitise the countryside of
all the predators that kill our song-birds. They want the countryside
cleaned of foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels, crows, jays, jackdaws,
rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles, red kites, hedgehogs, tawny
owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats, grey squirrels, mink, otters.and
anything that gets in the way of songbirds. These uncomprehending folk just
don't understand that animals with 'attitude' need to be managed, or that if
it wasn't for countrymen there will be not a song-bird left in England.
....Or so I read in the shooting press.

Ooops! Oh...sorry....wrong group. Should have posted to
alt.uk.animals.politics.

Theo :-(

 

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the need to the sanitise the countryside of
>all the predators that kill our song-birds. They want the countryside
>cleaned of foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels, crows, jays, jackdaws,
>rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles, red kites, hedgehogs, tawny
>owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats, grey squirrels, mink, otters.and
>anything that gets in the way of songbirds. These uncomprehending folk just
>don't understand that animals with 'attitude' need to be managed, or that if
>it wasn't for countrymen there will be not a song-bird left in England.
>...Or so I read in the shooting press.
>
>Ooops! Oh...sorry....wrong group. Should have posted to
>alt.uk.animals.politics.
>
>Theo :-(
>

Interesting stuff Theo

I keep Hens and Ducks and shoot foxes in their vicinity, is that OK?

I shoot Crows because they steal my eggs and eat fledgelings around
here, is that OK?

I don't need yours or anybody else's permission to do it, so F**k off,
OK

 

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"Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
Hi, All!
>
> Yes, I'm well annoyed by those who want to sanitize our countryside
>
> Here in Devon, these uncomprehending people are always trying to sanitise
> our traditional countryside.
>
> All they want is songbirds, these bunny-hugging folk. They just don't
> understand the countryside, and the need to the sanitise the countryside
of
> all the predators that kill our song-birds. They want the countryside
> cleaned of foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels, crows, jays,
jackdaws,
> rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles, red kites, hedgehogs, tawny
> owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats, grey squirrels, mink, otters.and
> anything that gets in the way of songbirds. These uncomprehending folk
just
> don't understand that animals with 'attitude' need to be managed, or that
if
> it wasn't for countrymen there will be not a song-bird left in England.
> ...Or so I read in the shooting press.
>
> Ooops! Oh...sorry....wrong group. Should have posted to
> alt.uk.animals.politics.
>
> Theo :-(

Well Theo you've shocked me. You either mix with the wrong type of bunny
huggers or you don't research the law regarding the quarry species. Badgers,
Tawny Owls, Martens (Martins fly) Otters, Polecats, Red Kites, Buzzards and
White tailed Eagles are all protected. I don't personally know of anyone who
kills them. Mind having said that you may know differently of course and if
you do I'm sure the law would be grateful of a phone call.
And here's me thinking you kept an open mind Theo. Tut Tut :O)
Regards
Dave

 

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"Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:cn803d$mpb$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:

Theo, is your email addy still active?

It’s just that I would like to pick your brains over something.

Thanks

John

 

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"Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:cn803d$mpb$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:

> Hi, All!
>
> Yes, I'm well annoyed by those who want to sanitize our countryside
>
> Here in Devon, these uncomprehending people are always trying to
> sanitise our traditional countryside.
>
> All they want is songbirds, these bunny-hugging folk. They just don't
> understand the countryside, and the need to the sanitise the
> countryside of all the predators that kill our song-birds. They want
> the countryside cleaned of foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels,
> crows, jays, jackdaws, rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles,
> red kites, hedgehogs, tawny owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats,
> grey squirrels, mink, otters.and anything that gets in the way of
> songbirds. These uncomprehending folk just don't understand that
> animals with 'attitude' need to be managed, or that if it wasn't for
> countrymen there will be not a song-bird left in England. ...Or so I
> read in the shooting press.
>
> Ooops! Oh...sorry....wrong group. Should have posted to
> alt.uk.animals.politics.
>
> Theo :-(

I think what is missing in our “new” enlightenment of countryside
preservation is balance. Both sides of the coin, pro & anti think they
are right 100%, but both sides lack an understanding of balance. For
example, if we remove one species, another will thrive. The one that
thrives will no doubt reduce another species and so on, until the
thriving species becomes a pest and in turn will be reduced by man. Some
species naturally thrive with or with out persecution. Some species
don’t thrive due to an unbalance from either nature or mans activities.
Killing all foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels, crows, jays,
jackdaws, rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles, red kites,
hedgehogs, tawny owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats, grey squirrels,
mink or otters will not solve our problems but not keeping a balanced
approach will not either. Of course some species have protection and
some don’t but never the less un-balance will effect either and IMHO
until we *all* realise that a balance is needed we as a species will
continue to do more harm than good and that goes for pro & anti.

John

 

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In article <cn803d$mpb$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Theo Hopkins
<theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> writes
>
>"Derry Argue" <derry(delete)@adviegundogs.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:Xns959DEC4EDA2B4derryadviegundogscou@130.133.1.4...
>> Come off it!
>>
>> I do get rather tired of people trying to sanitize the
>> countryside. Up here, the ground will be so frozen from January
>> you wouldn't get a pick into it, let alone bury a gralloch!
>>
>> Animals don't die in a heap? Then you have never seen the
>> results of a bad snow storm after prolonged hard weather --
>> heaps of red deer or Black Faced sheep frozen to death in some
>> hollow where they had attempted to shelter from the wind and
>> keep warm by crowding together. Would three wheel barrow loads
>> of corpses removed from laying pens qualify after one fox got in
>> for one night?
>>
>> I really get rather angry when people expect the countryside to
>> be something on a par to Hyde Park or Kensington Gardens.Perhaps
>> we should petition David Attenborough to cut the scenes in his
>> documentaries where the young lion practice killing some poor
>> wildebeest?
>>
>> Having suffered something akin to the Spanish Inquisition to get
>> licenced to get dirty tripe for my dogs, I now find I am to be
>> subjected to a quarterly inspection. Ye gods! The world has gone
>
>
>Hi, All!
>
>Yes, I'm well annoyed by those who want to sanitize our countryside
>
>Here in Devon, these uncomprehending people are always trying to sanitise
>our traditional countryside.
>
>All they want is songbirds, these bunny-hugging folk. They just don't
>understand the countryside, and the need to the sanitise the countryside of
>all the predators that kill our song-birds. They want the countryside
>cleaned of foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels, crows, jays, jackdaws,
>rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles, red kites, hedgehogs, tawny
>owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats, grey squirrels, mink, otters.and
>anything that gets in the way of songbirds. These uncomprehending folk just
>don't understand that animals with 'attitude' need to be managed, or that if
>it wasn't for countrymen there will be not a song-bird left in England.
>...Or so I read in the shooting press.
>
>Ooops! Oh...sorry....wrong group. Should have posted to
>alt.uk.animals.politics.
>
>Theo :-(
Still living under the bridge Theo? Stick to goats mate!

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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:55:46 GMT, hungryrob
<hungryrob@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Interesting stuff Theo
>
>I keep Hens and Ducks and shoot foxes in their vicinity, is that OK?
>
>I shoot Crows because they steal my eggs and eat fledgelings around
>here, is that OK?
>
>I don't need yours or anybody else's permission to do it, so F**k off,
>OK

Hang loose, Rob 🙂 I'm not sue the Theo
shooting season is open yet... Theo is this ng's
semi-wild anti, although he's not been around for a
long time now. I thought perhaps he'd spent one winter
too many in his bender tent and become a pile of
bleached bones...

Theo; "Hello you old rogue.".

Gyppo

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"J Craggs" <gyppo1@NOSPAMPLEASEOLDCHAPntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:59qdp09a71c5epcact0448h54u3dtkitsu@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:55:46 GMT, hungryrob
> <hungryrob@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Interesting stuff Theo
> >
> >I keep Hens and Ducks and shoot foxes in their vicinity, is that OK?
> >
> >I shoot Crows because they steal my eggs and eat fledgelings around
> >here, is that OK?
> >
> >I don't need yours or anybody else's permission to do it, so F**k off,
> >OK
>
> Hang loose, Rob 🙂 I'm not sue the Theo
> shooting season is open yet... Theo is this ng's
> semi-wild anti, although he's not been around for a
> long time now. I thought perhaps he'd spent one winter
> too many in his bender tent and become a pile of
> bleached bones...
>
> Theo; "Hello you old rogue.".
>
> Gyppo

Thanks Gyppo.


But I did expect the sort of reaction that I got from Rob.

Rob may well be right to say he needs to shoot foxes for protecting his
ducks - a fox got one of my turkies and a neighbour's duck (they were
roosting on same branch.

Ta,
Theo

 

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"Dave" <deecee@theflykwacs.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cn803d$mpb$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> Hi, All!
> >
> > Yes, I'm well annoyed by those who want to sanitize our countryside
> >
> > Here in Devon, these uncomprehending people are always trying to
sanitise
> > our traditional countryside.
> >
> > All they want is songbirds, these bunny-hugging folk. They just don't
> > understand the countryside, and the need to the sanitise the countryside
> of
> > all the predators that kill our song-birds. They want the countryside
> > cleaned of foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels, crows, jays,
> jackdaws,
> > rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles, red kites, hedgehogs,
tawny
> > owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats, grey squirrels, mink, otters.and
> > anything that gets in the way of songbirds. These uncomprehending folk
> just
> > don't understand that animals with 'attitude' need to be managed, or
that
> if
> > it wasn't for countrymen there will be not a song-bird left in England.
> > ...Or so I read in the shooting press.
> >
> > Ooops! Oh...sorry....wrong group. Should have posted to
> > alt.uk.animals.politics.
> >
> > Theo :-(
>
> Well Theo you've shocked me. You either mix with the wrong type of bunny
> huggers or you don't research the law regarding the quarry species.
Badgers,
> Tawny Owls, Martens (Martins fly) Otters, Polecats, Red Kites, Buzzards
and
> White tailed Eagles are all protected. I don't personally know of anyone
who
> kills them. Mind having said that you may know differently of course and
if
> you do I'm sure the law would be grateful of a phone call.
> And here's me thinking you kept an open mind Theo. Tut Tut :O)
> Regards
> Dave
>
>
Buzzards and badgers were poisoned by the shoot next to my woodland. The
other birds come from RSPB figures, published in the report of the UK Raptor
Working Group (2001) that had the BASC and Game Conservancy as contributors.
I have yet to hear of any shoot that has been shunned or boycotted by
guns/shooters at which the keeper (= really means the shoot owner) has been
done for poisoning birds of prey. Didn't make a blind difference at my
neighbouring shoot. Thanks for that bit about Martens - I'm dyseclecik.
(Well I cant spell).

 

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In article <Xns95A1B8418F651OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4>, John
<zero_one34@hotmail.com> writes
>"Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
>news:cn803d$mpb$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
>> Hi, All!
>>
>> Yes, I'm well annoyed by those who want to sanitize our countryside
>>
>> Here in Devon, these uncomprehending people are always trying to
>> sanitise our traditional countryside.
>>
>> All they want is songbirds, these bunny-hugging folk. They just don't
>> understand the countryside, and the need to the sanitise the
>> countryside of all the predators that kill our song-birds. They want
>> the countryside cleaned of foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels,
>> crows, jays, jackdaws, rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles,
>> red kites, hedgehogs, tawny owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats,
>> grey squirrels, mink, otters.and anything that gets in the way of
>> songbirds. These uncomprehending folk just don't understand that
>> animals with 'attitude' need to be managed, or that if it wasn't for
>> countrymen there will be not a song-bird left in England. ...Or so I
>> read in the shooting press.
>>
>> Ooops! Oh...sorry....wrong group. Should have posted to
>> alt.uk.animals.politics.
>>
>> Theo :-(
>
>I think what is missing in our "new� enlightenment of countryside
>preservation is balance. Both sides of the coin, pro & anti think they
>are right 100%, but both sides lack an understanding of balance. For
>example, if we remove one species, another will thrive. The one that
>thrives will no doubt reduce another species and so on, until the
>thriving species becomes a pest and in turn will be reduced by man. Some
>species naturally thrive with or with out persecution. Some species
>don't thrive due to an unbalance from either nature or mans activities.
>Killing all foxes, magpies, badgers, stoats, weasels, crows, jays,
>jackdaws, rooks, pigeons, buzzards, while-tailed eagles, red kites,
>hedgehogs, tawny owls, pole cats, martins, brown rats, grey squirrels,
>mink or otters will not solve our problems but not keeping a balanced
>approach will not either. Of course some species have protection and
>some don't but never the less un-balance will effect either and IMHO
>until we *all* realise that a balance is needed we as a species will
>continue to do more harm than good and that goes for pro & anti.
>
>John
>
While I agree in part with your thread, John. IMHO The people who shoot
seem to have a more realistic idea of what has to be done. I shoot
pigeon over a variety of land; some that is keepered and the deer kept
in check (big problem here in Hants) and some that is just farmed. the
most obvious difference is the amount of wildlife about in the hedges
and copses and the state of the hedges. land that is shot over has more
wildlife and the hedges are in better (more bird friendly) condition.
Concerning balance I suggest a quick glance at "A question of Balance"
published by the Game Conservancy Trust, shows that some areas of the
shooting community are well aware of the need for balance.
Of course the species that Theo left out were the ex-grouse on Langholm
moor, a classic case of the non-shooters getting it badly wrong.
I agree one of the main problems is a lack of understanding, but IMHO
its mainly of urban dwellers or ex-urban dwellers not understanding how
the countryside works. Forget about different ideas on wildlife, we have
enough problems around here about game & clay shooting; muck on the road
from farm vehicles and horses and why do the forestry cut down all the
lovely trees in the woods!
Still, mustn't complain, had a cracking day's beating on Saturday and
the new dog worked a treat; despite doing a drive just about on his own!
I could see where he was from the pheasants launching upwards! The guns
thought it was a 'Bloody great drive' and the keeper muttered something
about leads and necks, but I didn't get it all!

Larry


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Larry Armitstead <larry@whihouse.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:OCyV3HI$B+lBFwWQ@whihouse.demon.co.uk:

Hi Larry,

> While I agree in part with your thread, John. IMHO The people who
> shoot seem to have a more realistic idea of what has to be done.

Not always and in some cases they have no idea nor do they care. This
also stands for some anti-shooters.


I
> shoot pigeon over a variety of land; some that is keepered and the
> deer kept in check (big problem here in Hants) and some that is just
> farmed. the most obvious difference is the amount of wildlife about
> in the hedges and copses and the state of the hedges. land that is
> shot over has more wildlife and the hedges are in better (more bird
> friendly) condition.

On the other hand some nature preserves or reserves can also claim a
large amount of wildlife and the land has never been shot.



>Concerning balance I suggest a quick glance at
> "A question of Balance" published by the Game Conservancy Trust,
> shows that some areas of the shooting community are well aware of the
> need for balance. Of course the species that Theo left out were the
> ex-grouse on Langholm moor, a classic case of the non-shooters
> getting it badly wrong. I agree one of the main problems is a lack of
> understanding, but IMHO its mainly of urban dwellers or ex-urban
> dwellers not understanding how the countryside works. Forget about
> different ideas on wildlife, we have enough problems around here
> about game & clay shooting; muck on the road from farm vehicles and
> horses and why do the forestry cut down all the lovely trees in the
> woods! Still, mustn't complain,

IMHO everything is relevant to pure balance, akin to nature’s vying and
yang so to speak and no I’m not going all Buddhist monk or anything ?
Remove one species and something we don’t want will happen, let another
species thrive unnaturally and the same will apply.



>had a cracking day's beating on
> Saturday and the new dog worked a treat; despite doing a drive just
> about on his own! I could see where he was from the pheasants
> launching upwards! The guns thought it was a 'Bloody great drive' and
> the keeper muttered something about leads and necks, but I didn't get
> it all!

LOVL.

John

 

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Thanks, Theo, for waking 'em up! I was beginning to wonder if I
was the only one on the group!<vbg>

I think a bit of education is needed here. ALL the birds on
Theo's list are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside
Act, unless they are game birds when they may be shot by an
authorised person during the open season.

Those birds most of us here would consider pests can be killed,
again by an authorised person, if they are proved to be causing
damage to agriculture or property under a general licence under
the above Act. I would refer you to the successful prosecution
of a small boy who was shooting starlings in his back garden
with an air rifle. He was found guilty because it could not be
proved the starlings were causing any damage where they were.I
am not saying this is good or bad, just stating the facts.

I am currently breaking the law by feeding screenings to wild
duck. My illegal activities also help keep a large flock of
assorted finches alive. Why is this illegal? Because screenings
are "waste" and have to be disposed of to a licenced land fill
site. The cost of doing this is in the region of £40 a tonne.
Oh, I forgot, I was also breaking the law by carrying "waste"
without a licence to do so....

On the same theme, Theo is probably breaking some law by feeding
wild birds, but we won't go down that road!

I stand by my original post. The world is going crazy.

Derry

 

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"Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
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> Buzzards and badgers were poisoned by the shoot next to my woodland.
> The other birds come from RSPB figures, published in the report of
> the UK Raptor Working Group (2001) that had the BASC and Game
> Conservancy as contributors. I have yet to hear of any shoot that has
> been shunned or boycotted by guns/shooters at which the keeper (=
> really means the shoot owner) has been done for poisoning birds of
> prey. Didn't make a blind difference at my neighbouring shoot. Thanks
> for that bit about Martens - I'm dyseclecik. (Well I cant spell).

Gamekeeper keeps his job despite poisoning birds of prey

A GAMEKEEPER who admitted poisoning birds of prey in one of the
country’s worst wildlife crimes has kept his job.

Stephen Muir pleaded guilty to placing poison pellets in the countryside
on the Barns Estate at Kirkton Manor in the Borders, with the intention
of killing wild birds. The 38-year-old was given a £2500 fine for each
of those charges and a further £500 fine for endangering wildlife - a
total of £5500.

He was admonished at Peebles Sheriff Court, sitting in Selkirk, on a
fourth charge of being in possession of the poisonous substance
carbofuran.

Although suspended from the £900-a-month post he has held for 17 years
while Wemyss and March Estates conducts its own disciplinary process,
Muir is still employed at the estate carrying out tree and ground
maintenance. He was initially charged in connection with the death of 25
wild birds.


John

 

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"John" <zero_one34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95A38EE5B4469OEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4...
> "Theo Hopkins" <theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:cn8bnf$an3$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
> > Buzzards and badgers were poisoned by the shoot next to my woodland.
> > The other birds come from RSPB figures, published in the report of
> > the UK Raptor Working Group (2001) that had the BASC and Game
> > Conservancy as contributors. I have yet to hear of any shoot that has
> > been shunned or boycotted by guns/shooters at which the keeper (=
> > really means the shoot owner) has been done for poisoning birds of
> > prey. Didn't make a blind difference at my neighbouring shoot. Thanks
> > for that bit about Martens - I'm dyseclecik. (Well I cant spell).
>
> Gamekeeper keeps his job despite poisoning birds of prey
>
> A GAMEKEEPER who admitted poisoning birds of prey in one of the
> country's worst wildlife crimes has kept his job.
>
> Stephen Muir pleaded guilty to placing poison pellets in the countryside
> on the Barns Estate at Kirkton Manor in the Borders, with the intention
> of killing wild birds. The 38-year-old was given a £2500 fine for each
> of those charges and a further £500 fine for endangering wildlife - a
> total of £5500.
>
> He was admonished at Peebles Sheriff Court, sitting in Selkirk, on a
> fourth charge of being in possession of the poisonous substance
> carbofuran.
>
> Although suspended from the £900-a-month post he has held for 17 years
> while Wemyss and March Estates conducts its own disciplinary process,
> Muir is still employed at the estate carrying out tree and ground
> maintenance. He was initially charged in connection with the death of 25
> wild birds.
>
>
> John

I'm sorry for the gamekeeper, actually. The wisdom of the countryside round
here is that keepers don't illegally destroy wildlife unless they are told
directly to do so by their bosses, or given a nod and wink, on which their
jobs depend. This is why they keep their employment and fines are often paid
for them.

I noted an article in the Shooting Times where Guy Shorrock, the Chief
Investigation Officer for the RSPB wrote (IIRC) said much of what I say
above and continued "What keeper wants to sit on a cold rock at five o'clock
in the morning with a shotgun waiting for a red kite to fly over?".

The message I unofficially get down here in Exmoor, Devon, is that with 30
or so commercial shoots after the same punters pound, that keepers are
forced to do things against their better judgement. I certainly know that
some are worried about density of release, but with a given infrastructure
cost, the more birds put out, the less cost per bird.

It's the bosses, not the workers. (Cor! I sound like a socialist!)


Theo

 

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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:23:43 -0000, "Theo Hopkins"
<theo@theohopkins.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"J Craggs" <gyppo1@NOSPAMPLEASEOLDCHAPntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:59qdp09a71c5epcact0448h54u3dtkitsu@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:55:46 GMT, hungryrob
>> <hungryrob@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Interesting stuff Theo
>> >
>> >I keep Hens and Ducks and shoot foxes in their vicinity, is that OK?
>> >
>> >I shoot Crows because they steal my eggs and eat fledgelings around
>> >here, is that OK?
>> >
>> >I don't need yours or anybody else's permission to do it, so F**k off,
>> >OK
>>
>> Hang loose, Rob 🙂 I'm not sue the Theo
>> shooting season is open yet... Theo is this ng's
>> semi-wild anti, although he's not been around for a
>> long time now. I thought perhaps he'd spent one winter
>> too many in his bender tent and become a pile of
>> bleached bones...
>>
>> Theo; "Hello you old rogue.".
>>
>> Gyppo
>
>Thanks Gyppo.
>
>
>But I did expect the sort of reaction that I got from Rob.
>
>Rob may well be right to say he needs to shoot foxes for protecting his
>ducks - a fox got one of my turkies and a neighbour's duck (they were
>roosting on same branch.
>
>Ta,
>Theo
>

Toffu for Xmas then....

J.