Saved for a 3rd GFX Card but not sure what to get , please help me, RX470|480 RX570

[Imre_2]

Hi,
I currently have 2 RX470s and i would like to get 1 more card, but i am not sure which would match for the cards i have.
Im very concerned about the power usage.
Current set up:
RX470 4GB PowerColor + RX470 Sahipre Nitro+ 8GB
Please assist me in deciding which would be the better card here.
I am trying to decide here: between

Gigabyte RX570 Gaming 4GB
Gigabyte RX570 Aorus 4GB
MSI RX470 Armor 4GB
Powercolor RX480 Red Dragon 4GB
MSI GTX 1060 3GB

 

[BFG-9000]

Unless you are mining, you are always better off with a single more powerful card than two cards in Crossfire. Especially now that fewer and fewer new titles support it, plus the 3rd and 4th cards will provide even more diminishing returns.

For gaming, I would suggest selling your two cards now while they are worth a lot to upgrade to a single Vega64 or GTX1080. Either would be far better suited for high refresh rate 2560x1440 gaming than any Crossfire configuration.

 

[Imre_2]

I am mining , yes
I am not from America nor England not Europe BUT i can get somebody to bring me the item on the plane.
checking amazon.co.uk i only have the choices i litsed for my price.
Please can yuo help me choose from my list or the site?
Gigabyte RX570 Gaming OR Aorus 4GB ; MSI RX470 Armor 4GB ; Powercolor RX480 Red Dragon 4GB

 

[BFG-9000]

For mining, memory speed and latency seems to be of paramount importance and the GPU itself is frequently underclocked and undervolted so the usual power consumption difference between 470 and 570 are erased.

In the US the most efficient mining cards are the 1070 and 480/580 so they are the most expensive. The 1070 is nearly the same price here as the 1080! 470/570 are only slightly less efficient. At this point I would get whatever you can get at a reasonable price, keeping in mind that the sudden influx of in-stock cards means that demand has dropped but prices have been slow to follow.

Can you really make money mining over there? Over here it's only attractive because of our relatively inexpensive electricity rates and even then takes half a year to recoup the hardware costs.

 

[Imre_2]

Apart from corruption but this is another topic , we have decent electricity rates compered to the world.
I use about 14-16 kilowatts daily. its about R1.26 or 1 Rand and 26 cents here (per unit , or per kilowatt) maybe like 0.1 USD , something like that )
Not sure if directly exchanging RAND to DOLLAR or ZAR to USD is going to really indicate a proper reflection.
Me buying burger king or kfc or macdonalds burgers

I went with my current RX470's back in the day particularly because they did say that the RX480's used more power
I am obviously concerned that the guys are saying the 500 series are shit for mining, BUT now my options are bad with pricing and availability.
If i could i would get another powercolor RX470 , even if i compare it to my Saphipre nitro+ with 8 GB such a nice card. Just so pissed off i didnt know about mining sooner.
Anyways this is a decent hobby maybe and the fact that i can use the money for some short fall , whatever it is.
I recently just spent all my bitcoin to fix my OPEL CORSA head gasket which blew, so i am not happy about that either, but hey its done.
It would have been great to use it for another card.
Anyways the little fish i am , i am trying to do something, so yah.

I am still not sure what card to get.

the 470 whatever i get but its stupid paying 15 pounds more , its like 300 rand more, i mean its not a killer, but do i really need to?
I was really considering the Aorus card the 570 , over the normal vanilla 570 Gaming one , form Gigabyte,
I hope i can down the core aND i can up the memory frequency ... im just worried about how they all work in harmony with no blue screen bullshit. Cause remember i have 2 RX470;s

What do YOU think , man ?

*sigh*

Anyways, sorry about the Texas floods, its just crazy hey i cant believe the water has gone so high even Northern Texas, its crazy
typhoon haiyan was worse though in the Philippines but then again they have a fraction of your infrastructure there.

 

[BFG-9000]

Electricity rates sound the same as the average here then.

The 470 and 570 are the same card, just the 570 is factory overclocked so far out of its sweet spot that it uses a whopping 30w more for not even 40MHz more boost clock. They are so similar that the BIOSes can be crossflashed (obviously safest with reference design card), but if you are editing clocks anyway, only the Subsystem ID needs to be changed to convert between them (Device ID is already the same for both). At the same clocks, the efficiency should be the same and the 570 should probably retain more resale value for later, just because it's newer.

I think it's safest if all of the cards use the same driver, just less to go wrong so should be more stable.

 

[Imre_2]

Okay, so of those cards i listed to you , i would not go wrong with saving 15 pounds and taking the RX570 Aorus right?
i can just under clock and undervolt? it should perform in line with the other cards?

What do you mean same driver? i didnt know you can install different version AMD drivers for the cards?
I thikn i tried that its a bloody hassle? When you run the setup it just installs the driver globally on the machine for all cards, surely?

 

[BFG-9000]

Yep, performance should be exactly the same.

If you have different cards installed, different drivers will get installed by the global installer. For example even 570 unlocks features in the driver like Radeon Chill and ReLive which 470 does not support. So if you get a 570 it would probably be best to edit the BIOS so the installer thinks it's a 470, but it may not matter because they are so similar. The bigger problem would be using two completely different same-brand cards because the last driver installed may overwrite dll files shared by both cards but not necessarily tested with the older one. Windows 7 worked around this issue by not allowing multiple cards to use different drivers at all.

Needless to say, adding a 1060 would necessitate adding a completely different driver.

 

[Imre_2]

Yeh please , if you can i would love you show me this stuff? I have flashed my powercolor card by the way by copying the straps from 1500 i think it was down to the others but i didnt see fuck all difference, maybe 1 or 2 megahashes...( which i dont mind) I just need to know though how to flash my saphire one, because it has some switch on it, i dont understand the purpose of it. When i run Winflash whatever its called it says it cant read the rom.
I also got a lot of hangs or blue screens BUT I assume because i have a OCed card runnuing with a stock card.... Plus i was told when you Overclock , then in Afterburner you cant have the memory frequency on 2100 like i do now for stock cards.
they say it makes the system unstable , so maybe they were talking about this.
I need somebody to check for me and help me.
How can i just tweak the bios just a little?, like cant u just copy down the second last strap to the last strap ? doesnt that also help maybe ?
Maybe if you can we can please Teamview if you dont mind, ill appreciate it.
Somebody told me its not worth while flashing.
When i watch the youtube videos the guys get like 28 megahashes from 24 which is awesome, for me like every 20 cents or 30 cents counts.
Not sure man, i just wish i can get some guidance with this mining also cause everything i have done thus far is by myself but i would like to know if i am doing it correctly and that my hardware is working properly.

 

[Imre_2]

So we know the power consumption between the 2 ranges of cards is different.
I wanted to know, form you guys, apart from the mining guys, which card would you choose in terms of power and performance?

If you could get the Rx480 card at a decent price and the RX570/Rx570 was also available for say 50$ more, how do you decide? bearing in mind power is an issue for you as you would not want to use so much if you are mining?

Now, if you had an existing setup of 2 RX470;s then how would you decide or choose?