Scanners for videography

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Can I get some input about what is available in the way of scanners
that are taylored for videography use? Something that can take
better advantage of the quality of 35 Millimeter over the average
electornic camera?

Maybe this doesn't exist. I'm not very experienced in using scanners.
I have an older HP flatbed 62000c and a recent HP multi-function unit
(Officejet 7130) fax/print/copy/scan.

Are there units that will show a marked improvement over that level?
And what kind of price tags do they carry?
 
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Harry Putnam wrote:

> Something that can take
> better advantage of the quality of 35 Millimeter over the average
> electornic camera?
>

That's not saying much. ;-> But then I prefer medium format to 35mm.

I assume you know that just using "35mm" won't automatically give you
better quality than a digital. There are some $1000 digital SLRs that can
easily rival film, for anything under an 11x14 print.

By the same token, if you use some pocket 35mm, you're not going to get
very good quality compared to an SLR, in most cases, but even that's
relative. It boils down to technique and GLASS. Don't use off-brand
lenses. Stick to Nikon, Canon or the best - Zeiss lenses. The 80 mm Zeiss
lens on my Rollei is just amazing.

But yeah, you can get 35mm film scanners that will *directly* scan your
negative or slide.

Stay away from flatbeds with "slide adapters". Don't even consider them.
Trust me : been there, done that, wasn't impressed.

Look at the new Nikon 4000 DPI scanners. Don't look at any others. The
Nikons rock. I have an older Nikon LS2000 which scans at 2700 DPI and I
easily get 13x19" prints from the scans.

The Nikon scanners have the ability to remove dust and fingerprints from
slides and negatives without noticeably affecting image quality.

Last Christmas I scanned *hundreds* of my wife's family slides going back
50 years and you can imagine the shape they were in, sitting around in
wooden and cardboard boxes (oozing film destroying gasses). Anyway, the
point is that each scan only took a couple of minutes, including color
correction and spot/scratch removal. I would have never even tried to do
it had I not had the features of that Nikon scanner available.

I recommend shooting slide film, it's easier to scan than negative, and
available in higher quality.

If you shoot negative film, I'd recommend sticking to Kodak professional
film, nothing over ISO 100 (grain).

And, you can save money by getting the negatives developed without prints.

For slide film, I don't think anything can beat Fuji Velvia. It's very
nice, although slow (shoot it at ISO 40, not "50" as marked on the box).
But then it depends on what you're shooting too I guess. It's perfect for
nature landscapes and such where you can (and should!) use a tripod and
small apertures. Obviously you wouldn't shoot wedding candids on Velvia,
for that you'd use Kodak VPS (ISO 160, but expose at ISO 100). Never use
any Kodak film other than VPS or if they still make it, VHC, for their
accurate colors. Kodak slide film goes blue in shadows so I avoid it like
the plague.

OK anyway, a bit long winded, but "yes, slide/negative scanners will do
what you want".

Keep in mind that the resolution of a good Nikon film scanner is way more
than you need for video unless you're doing the "Ken Burns effect" (pan &
scan). Even so, scan at the high resolution and use Photoshop to crop or
scale the image down to your video frame size, you'll get better results.

There are other things you'll have to do with the scans to reduce
interlace jitter, but that's another topic.
 
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Keith Clark <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> writes:
> That's not saying much. ;-> But then I prefer medium format to 35mm.

Yikes, I've stepped on a cats tail...

I'm not pushing 35 millimeter over Electronic... My electronic
experience is limited to very low quality cameras. An older sony Mavica
with upper limit of 1024 x 786 ( I think)

Further my 35 millimeter experience would barely fill a small thimble.
I used an unfortunate example I guess.

> Look at the new Nikon 4000 DPI scanners. Don't look at any others. The
> Nikons rock. I have an older Nikon LS2000 which scans at 2700 DPI and I
> easily get 13x19" prints from the scans.

Thanks for letting me benefit from you experience. One thing that
isn't clear (to me) here is if these specialized scanners you mention
can also be used for normal scanning chores... docs etc. Or are they
designed for insertion of film or something?
 
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"Harry Putnam" <reader@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> Keith Clark <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> writes:
> > That's not saying much. ;-> But then I prefer medium format to 35mm.
>
> Yikes, I've stepped on a cats tail...
>
> I'm not pushing 35 millimeter over Electronic... My electronic
> experience is limited to very low quality cameras. An older sony Mavica
> with upper limit of 1024 x 786 ( I think)
>
> Further my 35 millimeter experience would barely fill a small thimble.
> I used an unfortunate example I guess.
>
> > Look at the new Nikon 4000 DPI scanners. Don't look at any others. The
> > Nikons rock. I have an older Nikon LS2000 which scans at 2700 DPI and I
> > easily get 13x19" prints from the scans.
>
> Thanks for letting me benefit from you experience. One thing that
> isn't clear (to me) here is if these specialized scanners you mention
> can also be used for normal scanning chores... docs etc. Or are they
> designed for insertion of film or something?

35mm scanners are just that - can't be used for anything else.

There is another way, and I tremble to suggest it amongst such
knowledgeable folk, you can have ordinary 35mm photos put on to CD ROM at
the time of processing. It is quite cheap and easily good enough to use in
a video.

my 2penneth

Margaret

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Harry Putnam wrote:

> Keith Clark <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> writes:
> > That's not saying much. ;-> But then I prefer medium format to 35mm.
>
> Yikes, I've stepped on a cats tail...
>

Oh, sorry, didn't mean to come across that way. Just one guy's opinion.



>
> I'm not pushing 35 millimeter over Electronic... My electronic
> experience is limited to very low quality cameras. An older sony Mavica
> with upper limit of 1024 x 786 ( I think)
>
> Further my 35 millimeter experience would barely fill a small thimble.
> I used an unfortunate example I guess.
>
> > Look at the new Nikon 4000 DPI scanners. Don't look at any others. The
> > Nikons rock. I have an older Nikon LS2000 which scans at 2700 DPI and I
> > easily get 13x19" prints from the scans.
>
> Thanks for letting me benefit from you experience. One thing that
> isn't clear (to me) here is if these specialized scanners you mention
> can also be used for normal scanning chores... docs etc. Or are they
> designed for insertion of film or something?

No, they're only for film scanning.

For scanning documents, the $50 Canon "Lide" scanners are great. I bought one
for general purpose scanning of documents and prints (up to 8.5 x 11) and
have been pretty happy with it.

Cheers,
Keith
 
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Margaret Willmer wrote:

> "Harry Putnam" <reader@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:m3fzb2b4xk.fsf@newsguy.com...
> > Keith Clark <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > That's not saying much. ;-> But then I prefer medium format to 35mm.
> >
> > Yikes, I've stepped on a cats tail...
> >
> > I'm not pushing 35 millimeter over Electronic... My electronic
> > experience is limited to very low quality cameras. An older sony Mavica
> > with upper limit of 1024 x 786 ( I think)
> >
> > Further my 35 millimeter experience would barely fill a small thimble.
> > I used an unfortunate example I guess.
> >
> > > Look at the new Nikon 4000 DPI scanners. Don't look at any others. The
> > > Nikons rock. I have an older Nikon LS2000 which scans at 2700 DPI and I
> > > easily get 13x19" prints from the scans.
> >
> > Thanks for letting me benefit from you experience. One thing that
> > isn't clear (to me) here is if these specialized scanners you mention
> > can also be used for normal scanning chores... docs etc. Or are they
> > designed for insertion of film or something?
>
> 35mm scanners are just that - can't be used for anything else.
>
> There is another way, and I tremble to suggest it amongst such
> knowledgeable folk, you can have ordinary 35mm photos put on to CD ROM at
> the time of processing. It is quite cheap and easily good enough to use in
> a video.
>
> my 2penneth
>
> Margaret
>
> Remove giggling if replying by email

That's a good idea.

The most consistent results I got before buying my own film scanner was by
using the Kodak "PhotoCD" scans which have several different resolutions.

Keith
 

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"Margaret Willmer" <margaret@gigglingwillmer.org.uk> wrote in message
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<snip>
> 35mm scanners are just that - can't be used for anything else.
>
> There is another way, and I tremble to suggest it amongst such
> knowledgeable folk, you can have ordinary 35mm photos put on to CD ROM at
> the time of processing. It is quite cheap and easily good enough to use
in
> a video.
>
> my 2penneth
>
> Margaret
>
> Remove giggling if replying by email
>
>

Thanks for trembling Margaret. I've been having my 35mm negatives (24
exposures) scanned at Sam's for $2.87 with good results. A $900 scanner is
not in my budget right now. It would cost me $1,800 total when you figure
what my wife then buy.

Rich
 
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"Rich" <rsanchez__48@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks for trembling Margaret. I've been having my 35mm negatives (24
> exposures) scanned at Sam's for $2.87 with good results. A $900 scanner
is
> not in my budget right now. It would cost me $1,800 total when you figure
> what my wife then buy.

There's a man who understands the economics of marriage.