Search for Survivors

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Does Search for Survivors change the order of the cards in the
graveyard? I had heard the answer was no, but under the current Oracle
wording it seems pretty clear to me that it is yes.

If the answer is no, what's the recommendewd / least time-consuming way
of dealing with SfS, say in a tournament? Grveyards can get pretty big,
especially since Odyssey.

Search for Survivors
{2}{R}
Sorcery
Remove your graveyard from the game. An opponent chooses a card at
random from among those cards. If it's a creature card, put it into
play. Otherwise, it remains removed from the game. Then return the rest
of those cards to your graveyard and shuffle them.

(Though WotC no longer makes cards that care about graveyard order, this
can be important for old cards like Death Spark, Bosium Strip and Ashen
Ghoul. If the answer is yes, it would, I believe, be the only such
card.)

Ashen Ghoul
{3}{B}
Creature -- Ghoul
3/1
Haste
{B}: Return Ashen Ghoul from your graveyard to play. Play this ability
only during your upkeep and only if three or more creature cards are
above Ashen Ghoul.

 

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Jeff Heikkinen <oh@s.if> wrote:

> Does Search for Survivors change the order of the cards in the
> graveyard? I had heard the answer was no, but under the current Oracle
> wording it seems pretty clear to me that it is yes.

Who said it was no? (And the printed card also included an instruction
to shuffle your graveyard.)

> If the answer is no, what's the recommendewd / least time-consuming way
> of dealing with SfS, say in a tournament? Grveyards can get pretty big,
> especially since Odyssey.
>
> Search for Survivors
> {2}{R}
> Sorcery
> Remove your graveyard from the game. An opponent chooses a card at
> random from among those cards. If it's a creature card, put it into
> play. Otherwise, it remains removed from the game. Then return the rest
> of those cards to your graveyard and shuffle them.

Shuffle
To shuffle a deck, library, or pile is to make the order of that deck,
library, or pile random. After a player shuffles a deck, library, or
pile, he or she owns, the opponent has the option to shuffle or cut that
pile. See rule 101.1.
--
Daniel W. Johnson
panoptes@iquest.net
http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:14:31 GMT, Jeff Heikkinen <oh@s.if> wrote:
>Does Search for Survivors change the order of the cards in the
>graveyard? I had heard the answer was no, but under the current Oracle
>wording it seems pretty clear to me that it is yes.

Yes - you shuffle the cards in the graveyard after returning them. (This is
because, -since- you're putting all the cards back into your graveyard from
another zone - RFG - the default is 'you order them as you choose'; they
didn't want that to happen, so they said to shuffle, to avoid stacking the
graveyard.)

>(Though WotC no longer makes cards that care about graveyard order, this
>can be important for old cards like Death Spark, Bosium Strip and Ashen
>Ghoul. If the answer is yes, it would, I believe, be the only such card.)

As far as I can recall right now it's the only thing that changes the graveyard
order _other_ than by removing stuff from the zone, yes.

Dave
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Jeff Heikkinen sez:

<<
>Does Search for Survivors change the order of the cards in the
>graveyard? I had heard the answer was no, but under the current Oracle
>wording it seems pretty clear to me that it is yes.
>>

And you'd be right. This wording also allows you to have an easy way for your
opponent to choose a card "at random" (IOW, shuffle the graveyard face down
before they pick.)


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