News Second-gen Snapdragon X PC chips may boost performance up to 22%

[Admin]

A Chinese blogger claims that Qualcomm's second-gen Snapdragon X processors for PCs featuring Nuvia-designed Oryon cores will start at 4.4 GHz and deliver 18–22% higher performance.

Second-gen Snapdragon X PC chips may boost performance up to 22% : Read more

 

[IBM296]

That is quite a pathetic increase for a chip releasing almost 2 years after its predecessor.

If Qualcomm wants to stay competitive with Apple's M5 and AMD chips, it needs atleast a 40% increase in performance.

 

[Notton]

There is a stark contrast between Qualcomm on Android and Windows

For instance, the Lenovo Legion Tab Gen 3 equipped with the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 gets raving reviews. It's well equipped at a competitive price for performance.
Where as Snapdragon X Elite laptops were largely panned as being too expensive, slow, without much improvement in battery life and pricey.

Specs wise, the X Elite should blast the 8 Gen 3 out of the water in CPU, and roughly equal in GPU. And yet...

 

[bit_user]

Just please tell me it has SVE2!

 

[bit_user]

That is quite a pathetic increase for a chip releasing almost 2 years after its predecessor.

Kinda depends whether they're talking IPC, single-threaded, or multi-threaded performance. If it's MT, then it's pretty terrible. On the other hand, if that's just the IPC improvement, it's quite decent.

 

[xc68000]

If they don't figure out a way to add a discrete gpu or significantly increase the gpu core count, these systems are never going to gain traction.

 

[Notton]

If they don't figure out a way to add a discrete gpu or significantly increase the gpu core count, these systems are never going to gain traction.

The X Elite supposedly has 12x PCIe 4.0 lanes. (Qualcomm decided not to make this info open for some reason.)
And it has the ports to connect with an eGPU.
So it's not like the chip can't interface with a GPU.

The problem is there are zero graphics drivers for ARM on Windows.

As for the iGPU, it's supposedly based on the Adreno 730.
Qualcomm still has some tricks up their sleeves with regards to iGPU.
In particular, the Adreno 750 has similar performance to an Radeon 880M.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

But can it run Crysis (or every x86 program for that matter)?

 

[Pierce2623]

Just please tell me it has SVE2!

If I was ARM, I’d totally stop doing business with Qualcomm.

But can it run Crysis (or every x86 program for that matter)?

Through emulation, sure. I was playing the x86 version of Dark Souls remastered on a sd8gen2 earlier today.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

It's technically 3rd gen. 2nd gen is for flagship mobile devices.

 

[bit_user]

If I was ARM, I’d totally stop doing business with Qualcomm.

Qualcomm pays them money, which ARM needs. It really can't afford to shut them out, right now.

Anyway, shutting them out would be a spiteful decision, not something based on logic or in the interest of shareholders.

 

[Pierce2623]

Qualcomm pays them money, which ARM needs. It really can't afford to shut them out, right now.

Anyway, shutting them out would be a spiteful decision, not something based on logic or in the interest of shareholders.

ARM is still private. If they get sick enough of Qualcomm abusing their license, they’ll cut ties. Then Qualcomm will sue to maintain access to the ARM ISA…. because there’s nothing else available other than starting from scratch with RISC V or I guess IBM/PowerPC if they get desperate enough.

 

[bit_user]

ARM is still private.

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/ARM:NASDAQ
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I know it can be hard to keep track of. They were public, then bought by Softbank, then maybe sold to Nvidia but not, and then IPO'd again.

If they get sick enough of Qualcomm abusing their license, they’ll cut ties.

You're thinking emotionally, not fiscally. Arm needs to act in a profit-maximizing fashion. Unless they start selling their own mobile SoCs, cutting ties with Qualcomm would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. At least for the time being, Qualcomm still licenses Arm IP for some of their phone SoCs.

 

[Pierce2623]

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https://www.google.com/finance/quote/ARM:NASDAQ​

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I know it can be hard to keep track of. They were public, then bought by Softbank, then maybe sold to Nvidia but not, and then IPO'd again.


You're thinking emotionally, not fiscally. Arm needs to act in a profit-maximizing fashion. Unless they start selling their own mobile SoCs, cutting ties with Qualcomm would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. At least for the time being, Qualcomm still licenses Arm IP for some of their phone SoCs.

I thought SoftBank canceled the IPO because it wasn’t going to land anywhere close to their visualized valuation.

 

[bit_user]

I thought SoftBank canceled the IPO because it wasn’t going to land anywhere close to their visualized valuation.

I don't know about that, but you can clearly see that it did indeed happen.

IIRC, I think the portion of equity they sold is rather small, with them still holding a majority stake.