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Hi guys,

Voting is now open for round two for the best IF games of 2004 -- it's
time to determine the winners! The top five vote-getters in each
category (or six where there was a tie) were selected in round one, and
are listed at http://www.xyzzynews.com/2004finalists.html.

The deadline for voting is Wednesday, March 9, 2005, at midnight
Eastern Standard Time.

Many congratulations to the finalists, and my sincere thanks to
everyone who helped select the finalists in round one!

Eileen
 
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Am i wrong or it's the first time that the IFComp winner is not in the
xyzzy finalists?
Rob
 
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<eileen@genuineclass.com> wrote in message
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> Hi guys,
>
> Voting is now open for round two for the best IF games of 2004 -- it's
> time to determine the winners! The top five vote-getters in each
> category (or six where there was a tie) were selected in round one, and
> are listed at http://www.xyzzynews.com/2004finalists.html.

Wow. I would have put money on Isle of the Cult getting a Best Puzzles
nomination. I guess I'll need to play a few more games to make a more
informed decision in the finals. :)

---- Mike.
 
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Mike Snyder wrote:
> Rob Grassi wrote:
> > Am i wrong or it's the first time that the IFComp winner is not
> > in the xyzzy finalists?
>
> Luminous Horizon is nominated for Best NPCs and Best Individual
> PC.


It's definitely not the first time there has been a disconnect
between IF Comp voting and Xyzzy Awards voting. It points out
the differences between the two systems of tabulation. I don't
think the one should be seen as diminishing the other, and I'm
glad we have both.



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"rgrassi" <robgrassi@yahoo.it> wrote in message
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> Am i wrong or it's the first time that the IFComp winner is not in the
> xyzzy finalists?
> Rob

Luminous Horizon is nominated for Best NPCs and Best Individual PC.

---- Mike.
 
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J. Robinson Wheeler wrote:

> It's definitely not the first time there has been a disconnect
> between IF Comp voting and Xyzzy Awards voting. It points out
> the differences between the two systems of tabulation. I don't
> think the one should be seen as diminishing the other, and I'm
> glad we have both.

I agree. What it does show is that games don't necessarily have to be
released for the Comp to do well in the XYZZYs. The non-Comp games
like Future Boy!, the Dreamhold, and Necrotic Drift actually should
have the advantage in the year-end XYZZYs. They benefit in the "Best
Game" area from being longer and more complex, having longer
development & testing cycles, not to mention the possible extra bonus
that an off-cycle release can get when people are hungry for a new
game.

I'm also pleased to see that games like Blue Chairs, All Things
Devours, and Gamlet got as many or more XYZZY nominations than Luminous
Horizon. The Comp basically only ranks in order the player's
preferences amongs the comp games. While Luminous Horizon probably
deserved its "overall" win in that Comp, the XYZZY's are a chance to
fine tune people's thoughts about a variety of aspects in all of the
games.

Either way, good stuff.

PJ
 
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Mike Snyder wrote:

> Personally, I was hoping for a "best story" nomination for Trading
Punches.
> Biased as I am, it's the one category I really felt strongly about.
But
> alas, 'twas not meant to be. :)

I have to admit that I still haven't completed TP. I got hung up on
the names. I know it's sci-fi but funky names always throw me.

On the other hand, I was looking at your code recently and I realized
that there really is a lot going on in the game and that, perhaps, it
is somewhat underrated. If I get some time to complete it sometime
soon, I will post one of my "story-based IF" reviews and see if anyone
wants to argue about it.

Cheer up. Maybe it'll get nominated for "Best of the Decade" in 5 years
or so.

PJ
 
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"PJ" <pete_jasper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm also pleased to see that games like Blue Chairs, All Things
> Devours, and Gamlet got as many or more XYZZY nominations than Luminous
> Horizon. The Comp basically only ranks in order the player's
> preferences amongs the comp games. While Luminous Horizon probably
> deserved its "overall" win in that Comp, the XYZZY's are a chance to
> fine tune people's thoughts about a variety of aspects in all of the
> games.

Yep, it's a difference in the scoring system. In the comp, if 1/3 of the
people really like game A but not B and C, 1/3 like game B but not A and C,
1/3 like game C but not A and B, but game D was everybody's second or third
fav, game D has a good shot at winning with the averages. XYZZY forces a
"first place" selection, so it's more likely that A, B, and C end up with
nominations, but D doesn't.

Personally, I was hoping for a "best story" nomination for Trading Punches.
Biased as I am, it's the one category I really felt strongly about. But
alas, 'twas not meant to be. :)

---- Mike.
 
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"PJ" <pete_jasper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Snyder wrote:
>
>> Personally, I was hoping for a "best story" nomination for Trading
> Punches.
>> Biased as I am, it's the one category I really felt strongly about.
> But
>> alas, 'twas not meant to be. :)
>
> I have to admit that I still haven't completed TP. I got hung up on
> the names. I know it's sci-fi but funky names always throw me.

Yeah -- genetics, hybrids -- it has a real purpose to the story, but a
smaller number of examples would have sufficed. :)

> On the other hand, I was looking at your code recently and I realized
> that there really is a lot going on in the game and that, perhaps, it
> is somewhat underrated. If I get some time to complete it sometime
> soon, I will post one of my "story-based IF" reviews and see if anyone
> wants to argue about it.

If you play version 1.8, it now has a built-in hint system. :) I haven't
received any feedback about it, so I don't know how well it hits the mark
for the spots that players were getting stuck.

> Cheer up. Maybe it'll get nominated for "Best of the Decade" in 5 years
> or so.

Maybe it's just a sleeper. :) Maybe I'll just have to try harder this year.
:)

--- Mike.
 
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:51:45 -0600, "Mike Snyder"
<wyndo@prowler-pro.com> tried to confuse everyone with this message:


>Personally, I was hoping for a "best story" nomination for Trading Punches.
>Biased as I am, it's the one category I really felt strongly about. But
>alas, 'twas not meant to be. :)

I voted for you in that nomination :)

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"Timofei Shatrov" <grue@mail.ru> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:51:45 -0600, "Mike Snyder"
> <wyndo@prowler-pro.com> tried to confuse everyone with this message:
>
>
>>Personally, I was hoping for a "best story" nomination for Trading
>>Punches.
>>Biased as I am, it's the one category I really felt strongly about. But
>>alas, 'twas not meant to be. :)
>
> I voted for you in that nomination :)

Cool!! :) I wasn't forgotten entirely! :) :) :)

---- Mike.
 
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"Mike Snyder" <wyndo@prowler-pro.com> wrote in message news:<%68Rd.10389$Ps.8567@okepread06>...
> "Timofei Shatrov" <grue@mail.ru> wrote in message
> news:4214ec01.6631930@news.individual.net...
> > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:51:45 -0600, "Mike Snyder"
> > <wyndo@prowler-pro.com> tried to confuse everyone with this message:
> >
> >
> >>Personally, I was hoping for a "best story" nomination for Trading
> >>Punches.
> >>Biased as I am, it's the one category I really felt strongly about. But
> >>alas, 'twas not meant to be. :)
> >
> > I voted for you in that nomination :)
>
> Cool!! :) I wasn't forgotten entirely! :) :) :)
>
> ---- Mike.

I nominated Trading Punches for "Best Story" as well. So that's two!

Cheers,

Steve
 
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On or about 2/17/2005 12:51 PM, Mike Snyder did proclaim:
> Personally, I was hoping for a "best story" nomination for Trading Punches.
> Biased as I am, it's the one category I really felt strongly about. But
> alas, 'twas not meant to be. :)

Yeah, I had a secret hope that Endgame would get a nomination for, well,
I can't think of an appropriate category, but I was hoping anyway.
 
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"samwyse" <dejanews@email.com> wrote in message
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> On or about 2/17/2005 12:51 PM, Mike Snyder did proclaim:
> > Personally, I was hoping for a "best story" nomination for Trading
Punches.
> > Biased as I am, it's the one category I really felt strongly about. But
> > alas, 'twas not meant to be. :)
>
> Yeah, I had a secret hope that Endgame would get a nomination for, well,
> I can't think of an appropriate category, but I was hoping anyway.

You got at least one nomination for Best Individual Puzzle (beating the
demon). :)

---- Mike.
 
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On or about 2/17/2005 8:43 PM, Mike Snyder did proclaim:

> "samwyse" <dejanews@email.com> wrote in message
> news:gwcRd.50743$iC4.7901@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>>Yeah, I had a secret hope that Endgame would get a nomination for, well,
>>I can't think of an appropriate category, but I was hoping anyway.
>
> You got at least one nomination for Best Individual Puzzle (beating the
> demon). :)

Thanks!

I rather expected that my lack of success would be tied to the fact that
your parenthetical comment was redundant. I had flirted with the idea
that a Best Use of Medium would be my best chance, since you could make
the argument that the medium was .z3 and I did make good use of it. ;-)
 
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