Question Seeking Feedback on My Custom PC Build - Your Thoughts?

[ja1ba6]

Hello fellow tech enthusiasts!
I recently embarked on a journey to build my dream computer, investing a significant amount of time and effort into creating a high-performance system that meets my needs. After careful consideration and research, I believe I've put together a pretty solid PC assembly. However, I would greatly appreciate your valuable input and expertise to ensure that everything is as optimized as possible.
Before I share the details of my build, I want to emphasize that my primary goal is to achieve the best possible performance and compatibility among the components. I understand that personal preferences and budgets may vary, but I'm specifically looking for advice on fine-tuning this particular setup.

Here's the link to my PC build on PCPartPicker: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4BCysL
To give you a quick overview, here are the key components I've chosen:
Processor: Intel Core i7-13700K
Processor cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB
Graphics Card: MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI
Memory: Kingston FURY 64GB KIT DDR5 6000MHz CL40 Beast XMP
Storage: Samsung SSD 980 PRO 2TB
Power Supply: MSI MPG A1000G PCIE5
Case: Cooler Master HAF 700 + 2x SickleFlow 120mm PWM ARGB Fan

Are there any alternative options that you would consider for better performance? Additionally, I'm open to suggestions regarding any other aspects of the build, such as cooling solutions or peripherals. I want to make sure that every component works perfectly together to create an optimal computing experience.
Thank you all in advance for your valuable input and guidance!

 

[Lafong]

.............."creating a high-performance system".................

High-performance doing what?

A single purpose PC or ?

I assume there is something about that 300 dollar case that specifically attracts you.

Have you deliberately rejected air cooling?

 

[Why_Me]

If your primary use will be for gaming then 32GB of RAM is more than enough not to mention that CL40 RAM in your build will be dog slow for gaming due to the high latency. Add this controller to this build if you want the full ARGB affect. btw those fans go at the top of the case where you would normally put an AIO.

https://www.newegg.com/p/1BK-07N9-00001
Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ARGB Controller and USB Module (Black) $13.99

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($117.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($112.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: *MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($1649.99 @ Newegg)
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($106.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: *Lian Li UNI FAN SL V2 64.5 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack ($82.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2835.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-18 02:24 EDT-0400

A better look at that case, board, cpu and cooler.

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...al-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16082.shtml

https://lian-li.com/product/uni-fan-sl-v2/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmpaN61OISA

 

[thestryker]

The biggest outlier in your system is the memory because you'll want much better memory latency than that.

If you need 64GB for whatever reason then these two are much better choices:
Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws S5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory

If you don't need 64GB (this completely depends on your usage) then the 32GB kit mentioned above is great.

If the reason you've picked that case is aesthetic then by all means keep it on there, but if you're concerned about performance there are many cheaper options. The Lian-li case mentioned above is pretty much the best value in cases right now in my opinion as it's got great cooling and a good price. Other options (cheaper than the HAF 700) would be the Lian-li O11 Dynamic Evo, Corsair 5000D Airflow, Lian-li LANCOOL III, Thermaltake CTE 750 Air, and HYTE Y60. Some of these might not fit the 420mm AIO you're planning on, but your system ought to be fine with the 360mm version.

Barring replacement of my current video card my next PC is likely going to be built in the HAF 700, because I'd really like to mount both radiators in the top and that's one of the only cases that can do this. Otherwise I'd probably be looking at something cheaper as you can get just as good performance out of a smaller case that costs and weighs less. I do like how it looks a lot, but this sort of thing isn't worth the $100+ extra cost to me personally.

 

[ja1ba6]

.............."creating a high-performance system".................

High-performance doing what?

A single purpose PC or ?

I assume there is something about that 300 dollar case that specifically attracts you.

Have you deliberately rejected air cooling?

Thank you for your response! I apologize if my original post lacked clarity. Allow me to elaborate on my requirements and preferences for building my new computer.

In my case, I am specifically looking to maximize the performance of my computer for parallel computing, as I intend to utilize CUDA for machine learning purposes. Consequently, the graphics card holds utmost importance as it serves as the primary component responsible for carrying out these computationally intensive tasks. The CPU, on the other hand, will mainly be utilized for basic data preprocessing and typically operates on a single thread.

Regarding the choice of the case, the $300 case has caught my attention due to several factors. Firstly, it provides ample space to accommodate all the necessary components, ensuring proper airflow and reducing the risk of overheating. Additionally, its thermal performance has received favorable reviews from multiple sources, suggesting that it excels in dissipating heat efficiently. This aspect is crucial to me because I anticipate running the GPU at close to 100% load for extended periods of time. By maintaining low temperatures, I can ensure optimal performance and longevity of the graphics card while performing resource-intensive computations.

I hope this clarifies my intentions and requirements for building a high-performance computer tailored for parallel computing and machine learning tasks. Thank you for your assistance and any further advice you may have is greatly appreciated!

 

[ja1ba6]

If your primary use will be for gaming then 32GB of RAM is more than enough not to mention that CL40 RAM in your build will be dog slow for gaming due to the high latency. Add this controller to this build if you want the full ARGB affect. btw those fans go at the top of the case where you would normally put an AIO.

https://www.newegg.com/p/1BK-07N9-00001
Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ARGB Controller and USB Module (Black) $13.99

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($117.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($112.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: *MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($1649.99 @ Newegg)
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($106.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: *Lian Li UNI FAN SL V2 64.5 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack ($82.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2835.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-18 02:24 EDT-0400

A better look at that case, board, cpu and cooler.

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...al-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16082.shtml

https://lian-li.com/product/uni-fan-sl-v2/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmpaN61OISA

Thank you for your input and I apologize for any misuderstandings, but I would like to clarify my specific needs for the computer build. My primary use will be focused on parallel computing for machine learning, utilizing CUDA. Therefore, my priority lies in having a powerful GPU, which is why I am considering the RXT 4090.

When it comes to purchasing the components, I have decided to buy everything from my country's biggest electronics shop. They offer a service to build the PC for me and provide a three-year warranty, which is essential for my peace of mind.

Regarding the graphics card, the shop offers the MSI GAMING X TRIO at a higher price (92$) compared to the card I initially suggested. I believe that the marginal performance increase does not justify the additional cost, so I prefer to stick with my original choice.

In terms of RAM, I require 64GB due to working with large datasets of images. These datasets take up a significant amount of space, and I need them to be readily accessible in RAM for preprocessing before feeding them into the GPU. Considering my workload, I don't believe extremely low latency is a crucial factor for me. Since I will be moving large chunks of data at a time rather than multiple small ones, I can prioritize other aspects.

As for the case, I have chosen it based on extensive reviews highlighting its high thermal performance and the ample space it offers. I understand that it may be expensive and larger in size, but these factors are outweighed by the benefits it provides. Ideally, I would have preferred the Lian Li Lancool III, but unfortunately, the shop I plan to buy from doesn't offer it. The same goes for the Lian Li Lancool 216 you have suggested.

I hope this clarifies my intentions. If you can give me your opinion based on my requirements I mentioned, I would be really grateful!

 

[IDProG]

The biggest outlier in your system is the memory because you'll want much better memory latency than that.

Disagree. The memory specs don't matter. You can overclock it manually pretty easily. What matters are what the memory die is, and who made it.

On that note, for OP, since budget is of no problem to you, you'll want a Hynix A-die. Your current RAM is Hynix M-die. Find RAM kits that get advertised as at least 6600MHz.

Many people suggest only going with 32GB DDR5, but I disagree in this particular case. It depends if you want to keep using the system (only upgrading the GPU in the future) or not. If you do, and you upgrade to a 32GB or more VRAM GPU, then 64GB DRAM is necessary. If you don't, then 32GB is enough.

And lastly, if you can wait for 3 months, you can buy the 14th gen Raptor Lake Refresh (14700K in your case), which will provide around 10% more performance. That said, the 14th gen is compatible with Z790.

 

[thestryker]

Disagree. The memory specs don't matter. You can overclock it manually pretty easily. What matters are what the memory die is, and who made it.

Last time I'd looked those lower latency kits were Hynix A, but that seems to no longer be the case.

On that note, for OP, since budget is of no problem to you, you'll want a Hynix A-die. Your current RAM is Hynix M-die. Find RAM kits that get advertised as at least 6600MHz..

According to testing by Gigabyte and MSI the Kingston kit in the OP is actually Hynix A (at least when they did it) which would make us both wrong. 6600 is also not a universal measure anymore either as several manufacturers are running other die at that throughput.

I ended up having to do a fair bit of reading as it has been since RPL release that I actually checked DRAM specs. I didn't realize some motherboard manufacturers had gotten in the habit of identifying die on testing. While that doesn't guarantee what die you'll end up with it's the closest you can get.

Gigabyte Memory QVL
MSI Memory QVL

 

[geofelt]

Seems to me that on a top build that wants best single thread performance, the processor should be a I9-13900KS or 13900K.
If all of the available processing threads will not be fully utilized then something less than a 480 sized aio may well suffice.
Read this article on using a 13900K with less than top cooling:

Core i9-13900K Cooling Guide: Testing Intel's Flagship With Budget Air and Big AIOs

The Core i9-13900K can push even the most capable liquid coolers to their limits, but you don’t lose that much performance if you go with budget-priced air cooling.

www.tomshardware.com

On cases, looks count.
I think one should buy a case at any price that visually appeals. It will be with you for a very long time.

 

[ja1ba6]

The biggest outlier in your system is the memory because you'll want much better memory latency than that.

If you need 64GB for whatever reason then these two are much better choices:
Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws S5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory

If you don't need 64GB (this completely depends on your usage) then the 32GB kit mentioned above is great.

If the reason you've picked that case is aesthetic then by all means keep it on there, but if you're concerned about performance there are many cheaper options. The Lian-li case mentioned above is pretty much the best value in cases right now in my opinion as it's got great cooling and a good price. Other options (cheaper than the HAF 700) would be the Lian-li O11 Dynamic Evo, Corsair 5000D Airflow, Lian-li LANCOOL III, Thermaltake CTE 750 Air, and HYTE Y60. Some of these might not fit the 420mm AIO you're planning on, but your system ought to be fine with the 360mm version.

Barring replacement of my current video card my next PC is likely going to be built in the HAF 700, because I'd really like to mount both radiators in the top and that's one of the only cases that can do this. Otherwise I'd probably be looking at something cheaper as you can get just as good performance out of a smaller case that costs and weighs less. I do like how it looks a lot, but this sort of thing isn't worth the $100+ extra cost to me personally.

Hi there,
Thank you for your suggestions and insights regarding the memory and case options for my computer build. I appreciate your input.
Regarding the memory, I plan to primarily use my computer for CUDA parallel computing in machine learning tasks. This involves loading large datasets of images at once into RAM for preprocessing by the CPU before sending them to the GPU. Since this process involves handling substantial amounts of data, I believe having 64 GB of RAM would be beneficial for efficient operation.
However, I wanted to inquire further about your suggestion regarding memory latency. As my main focus will be on CUDA computing rather than playing demanding games, I assumed that memory latency might not be a critical factor in my case. If you don’t believe so, could you please clarify why you believe I would still require lower latency, even with a latency rating of CL40? The price difference is significant and I don’t want to pay for something I won’t use.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this matter.

 

[thestryker]

Hi there,
Thank you for your suggestions and insights regarding the memory and case options for my computer build. I appreciate your input.
Regarding the memory, I plan to primarily use my computer for CUDA parallel computing in machine learning tasks. This involves loading large datasets of images at once into RAM for preprocessing by the CPU before sending them to the GPU. Since this process involves handling substantial amounts of data, I believe having 64 GB of RAM would be beneficial for efficient operation.
However, I wanted to inquire further about your suggestion regarding memory latency. As my main focus will be on CUDA computing rather than playing demanding games, I assumed that memory latency might not be a critical factor in my case. If you don’t believe so, could you please clarify why you believe I would still require lower latency, even with a latency rating of CL40? The price difference is significant and I don’t want to pay for something I won’t use.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this matter.

Firstly anything that touches the DRAM is impacted by latency, and the two kits I listed are cheaper than the one you chose. If you're not going to tweak your DRAM settings getting the lowest latency within your budget is always going to be the best option for everything. If you are willing to tweak your settings then getting a kit with the best DRAM die is important.

Without knowing your exact workload it's impossible to say how much of an impact latency will have.