Sensors suddenly report high temperatures although everything's cool

drmarzipan

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May 10, 2013
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Now it has happened.
After 4 1/2 years of using my notebook (also as a gaming notebook), i had a sudden FPS drop while playing League of Legends which remained permanent. Since then i've tried literally everything to fix this problem. Reinstalling Windows, updating BIOS, cleaning, applying new thermal paste (twice) etc. In the last years i've cleaned the inside regularly and also removed the heatsink of both cpu and gpu for a better cleaning and put it back on without applying new thermal paste. And without any problems. The CPU never got so hot, that it had to shut down. While gaming, i really could feel warm to hot air coming out and the bottom and top of the case also felt warm. I think that in this time, the processors were running at around 70 to 80°C.

In the past days, i've installed at least 10 monitoring programms to display the temperatures. After a cold boot the CPU has - according to hwmonitor and all the other progs - a temperature of 60°C. when doing nothing it may go down to 45°C, but when opening firefox e.g. it rises up to 83°C which seems to be the highest. If i "stress" the notebook a little bit more, the core sensors fall into the negative, reporting around -39 to -41°C (HWMonitor and Speedfan e.g.). While this happens, the fan which runs at over 4000 rpm blows off slightly warm air (which i estimate to be around 30°C!).
For me, the only possibility is that the thermal sensors are sending wrong data. Remember it happened out of nowhere, not after changing something at the system nor opening the case (and i had cleaned it a month before).
I would ignore the sensors, if the CPU wouldnt throttle down to 800 Mhz and causing the Fan to run at max. speed at 80°C which now makes gaming or even watching a simple video on YouTube impossible.

Its an
ASUS M51Va Notebook
Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5800 @ 2GHz
4GB RAM
Mobility Radeon HD 3650

Is there any similar case known in this forum and is it possible to repair faulty sensors?

Since i have a notebook there aren't any advanced options (as temp reading, fan speed, cpu clocks etc.) available in the BIOS...


 
doesn't sound like a faulty monitor if your cpu is throttling and the fans are running at 100%

sounds like faulty reporting to you about the temps.

furthermore if there is damage to the thermal sensors there is nothing you can do to fix it. That said it sounds to me like your cpu is baking itself. not sure how you're applying thermal paste or cleaning the inside of the laptop, but it sounds like you're doing a poor job sticking the cpu heatsink back on.

that or your cpu cooling fan is dying. not sure... could be either or.

All i know is if your laptop is pulling temps at 83C plus just opening firefox you don't have a cpu cooler with the name atm. And if you don't figure out the issue quickly, you'll damage it permanently (or just straight up blow it up... it IS possible to start a fire on your mb).
 
You said
"In the last years i've cleaned the inside regularly and also removed the heatsink of both cpu and gpu for a better cleaning and put it back on without applying new thermal paste."

That is a Big 10/4 - Opps, NOPE it's a Big NO-NO. Based on what you have said, My best guess is you have damaged the components already - Time to bite the bullet and start shopping
Very Sorry for your loss!
 

drmarzipan

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Yes :/ Shame on me... in that time, i didn't even know that there is something called thermal paste. I'm no expert and didn't care too much about the hardware, but i do now. Lesson learned. ;) Well, it wasn't regularly. Used the wrong word there. I did it twice, back in 2011 and in the beginning of this year. So.. to be more precise. The CPU is damaged cause of 4 years running on a high temperature (not "shut-down high")?! Can it be damaged that way that it produces more heat than usual?

I'm taking back my guess on faulty sensor. I let the case open and felt the heatsink directly above the cpu, it's indeed burning up. The fan is not directly placed above the CPU. It's a shared fan of both CPU and GPU with two copper heat pipes leading to the processors. Oddly enough the heat seems to get "stuck" above the CPU. There it's hot, but the part that goes "into" the fan is still at room temperature. That would explain the just slightly warm air coming out of the fan... any suggestions there?
For a better understanding its something like this:

http://www.laptop-guts.co.uk/images/ASUSX5DC_CPUHS.jpg