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"Sean" <BackToTheGroupPlease@ICantHaveSpam.com> wrote in message
news:chmruj$3gf$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> Am I mistaken, or is there a minimum prison sentence for people in
posession
> of ammunition without a licence?
> Have a look at this link
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3562254.stm

There are very very few crimes in English law that have a minimum sentence
beyond a 'conditional discharge', and the judiciary are always complaining
about them, they just had another moan about the compulsory life sentence
for murder.

In this particular case, what about someone who buys a house that contains
some ammunition which is found, for example, by the police when searching
for drugs.

English law admits that the search is valid, unlike the USA, possession of
ammunition or explosives without a licence is an absolute offence and
ignorance, of the law or the facts, is no defence.

However the judge may decide not to give any punitive sentence.

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
 
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"William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<chncin$rbq$1@news.freedom2surf.net>...
> "Sean" <BackToTheGroupPlease@ICantHaveSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:chmruj$3gf$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Am I mistaken, or is there a minimum prison sentence for people in
> posession
> > of ammunition without a licence?
> > Have a look at this link
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3562254.stm
>
> There are very very few crimes in English law that have a minimum sentence
> beyond a 'conditional discharge', and the judiciary are always complaining
> about them, they just had another moan about the compulsory life sentence
> for murder.

Either there is minimum sentence, or there isn't.

> In this particular case, what about someone who buys a house that contains
> some ammunition which is found, for example, by the police when searching
> for drugs.
>
> English law admits that the search is valid, unlike the USA, possession of
> ammunition or explosives without a licence is an absolute offence and
> ignorance, of the law or the facts, is no defence.

The question of how valid or moral such laws are is neved raised, though, is it ?
 
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>Am I mistaken, or is there a minimum prison sentence for people in>>
posession
>> > of ammunition without a licence?

No.
 
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"J. Hall" <jif2000@supanet.com> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > English law admits that the search is valid, unlike the USA,
possession of
> > ammunition or explosives without a licence is an absolute offence and
> > ignorance, of the law or the facts, is no defence.
>
> The question of how valid or moral such laws are is neved raised, though,
is it ?

Arguing the validity of English law is a futile activity. The parliament is
the supreme authority, that's it, no arguments, end of story...

On which laws do you wish to address the issue of morality?

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
 
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:03:22 +0100, "William Black"
<abuse@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
>is no basis for a system of government

But there are times when it makes just as much sense
;-)

Gyppo

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> >Am I mistaken, or is there a minimum prison sentence for people in>>
> posession
>>> > of ammunition without a licence?
>

I thought you didn't need a licence to posess shotgun ammunition, just to
buy it?.


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> Arguing the validity of English law is a futile activity. The parliament is
> the supreme authority, that's it, no arguments, end of story...
>
> On which laws do you wish to address the issue of morality?

Pretty much all of them. Sod parliament- that's an appeal to force and popularity.
 
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In article <oue0d.175$nM5.170@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Graham Gowland
<gowlandREMOVE@bigfoot.com> writes
>> >Am I mistaken, or is there a minimum prison sentence for people in>>
>> posession
>>>> > of ammunition without a licence?
>>
>
>I thought you didn't need a licence to posess shotgun ammunition, just to
>buy it?.
>
Was it shotgun ammunition? The newspaper reports I've read didn't
specify. Nor did they specify how much ammunition it was. If only a few
rounds, then perhaps that's why he wasn't done for it, the court feeling
that in the context of what they presumably felt was the more serious
offence regarding the brothel it wasn't worth bothering with.

--
Malcolm
 
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J Craggs <gyppo1@NOSPAMPLEASEOLDCHAPntlworld.com> wrote in
news:8tj1k0dcdj6m9s2ebsd7i34i7e6laebb6e@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:03:22 +0100, "William Black"
> <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
>>is no basis for a system of government
>
> But there are times when it makes just as much sense
> ;-)

Well its better then Labours system of “let’s make it all up as we go
along”.
God only knows we would be better off with naked women bathing in ponds!

John
 
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"J. Hall" <jif2000@supanet.com> wrote in message
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> > Arguing the validity of English law is a futile activity. The
parliament is
> > the supreme authority, that's it, no arguments, end of story...
> >
> > On which laws do you wish to address the issue of morality?
>
> Pretty much all of them. Sod parliament- that's an appeal to force and
popularity.

Ok, get your guns and off into the hills you go, complete with any bonkers
Muslim clerics you can find, and start your revolution...

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
 
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> > Pretty much all of them. Sod parliament- that's an appeal to force and
> popularity.
>
> Ok, get your guns and off into the hills you go,

Not quite, it's your beloved parliament whose actions are
illegitimate, so it's off into the hills THEY go. They would fit right
in with the islamo-fascists (and all of the other loonies who think
that a threats of violence or imprisonment constitute a rational
argument).
 
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"J. Hall" <jif2000@supanet.com> wrote in message
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> > > Pretty much all of them. Sod parliament- that's an appeal to force and
> > popularity.
> >
> > Ok, get your guns and off into the hills you go,
>
> Not quite, it's your beloved parliament whose actions are
> illegitimate, so it's off into the hills THEY go. They would fit right
> in with the islamo-fascists (and all of the other loonies who think
> that a threats of violence or imprisonment constitute a rational
> argument).

So that's if for the rule of law and an elected representative body.

Back under your bridge troll.

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
 
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"William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ci1kol$pdl$1@news.freedom2surf.net>...
> "John" <zero_one34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95615530EED5COEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4...
>
> > It amazes me how much faith people actually put in our criminal justice
> > system and law. Face it, the law means jack and the only person who can
> > actually rule on the criminal law is a judge and quite frankly after
> > shooting with a few judges, I would rather risk my soul in hell.
>
> OK, start shooting, see how many follow you in your revolution...

Don't tempt fate. The status quo isn't half as popular as you seem to think it is.
 
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"J. Hall" <jif2000@supanet.com> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<ci1kol$pdl$1@news.freedom2surf.net>...
> > "John" <zero_one34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns95615530EED5COEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4...
> >
> > > It amazes me how much faith people actually put in our criminal
justice
> > > system and law. Face it, the law means jack and the only person who
can
> > > actually rule on the criminal law is a judge and quite frankly after
> > > shooting with a few judges, I would rather risk my soul in hell.
> >
> > OK, start shooting, see how many follow you in your revolution...
>
> Don't tempt fate. The status quo isn't half as popular as you seem to
think it is.

In this particular case I'm prepared to take the risk.

Get your guns, start shooting, see who follows, see how long you last...

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
 
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"William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ci4igh$kj8$1@news.freedom2surf.net:

>> Don't tempt fate. The status quo isn't half as popular as you seem
>> to
> think it is.
>
> In this particular case I'm prepared to take the risk.
>
> Get your guns, start shooting, see who follows, see how long you
> last...

For god sake Will’s you have to be the most arrogant poster I have ever
had the misfortune to read. Have you got some mental block over the fact
that just because a person owns a gun they are NOT going to start a
revolution? The reason I ask is that you have posted this twaddle more
than once now.
I’ll make it clear, in general people who own legal guns are law abiding
and god fearing folk who are the least likely to go and do what you keep
asking, in short your posts are completely off topic and have no bearing
what-so-ever on game shooting. So dump your hippy clad and say sorry.


John
 
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"John" <zero_one34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:ci4igh$kj8$1@news.freedom2surf.net:
>
> >> Don't tempt fate. The status quo isn't half as popular as you seem
> >> to
> > think it is.
> >
> > In this particular case I'm prepared to take the risk.
> >
> > Get your guns, start shooting, see who follows, see how long you
> > last...
>
> For god sake Will's you have to be the most arrogant poster I have ever
> had the misfortune to read. Have you got some mental block over the fact
> that just because a person owns a gun they are NOT going to start a
> revolution? The reason I ask is that you have posted this twaddle more
> than once now.

Where did I give that impression?

The people posting are saying a revolution is just around the corner, I say
it isn't

> I'll make it clear, in general people who own legal guns are law abiding
> and god fearing folk who are the least likely to go and do what you keep
> asking, in short your posts are completely off topic and have no bearing
> what-so-ever on game shooting. So dump your hippy clad and say sorry.

Read the headers, it's being posted in more than just one newsgroup, you
post in a politics group and, this being the nature of Usenet, you get
politics

I've no idea where you're coming from, but I've owned guns for over thirty
years now and have shot just about everything from .22 short up to serious
cannons for fun.

I've been an instructor since about 1976 and have taught more people to
shoot than I can remember.

So wind your neck in, you just made a fool of yourself.

--
William Black
------------------
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government
 
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"William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ci4ric$nhj$1@news.freedom2surf.net:

> The people posting are saying a revolution is just around the corner,
> I say it isn't

Kindly supply the details of *any* post where I have said that “a
revolution is just around the corner”.

> Read the headers, it's being posted in more than just one newsgroup,
> you post in a politics group and, this being the nature of Usenet,
> you get politics

Suddenly all becomes clear.

>
> I've no idea where you're coming from, but I've owned guns for over
> thirty years now and have shot just about everything from .22 short
> up to serious cannons for fun.

You are of course the only one.


> I've been an instructor since about 1976 and have taught more people
> to shoot than I can remember.

I hope you didn’t tell them to take to the hills and start shooting.

> So wind your neck in,

A few posts back you unjustly called me little, now your suggesting I have
a long neck. Make your mind up.

>you just made a fool of yourself.

Your right and I’m sorry to say that I’m doing it again but it will not
happen another time.

John
 
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"William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ci4ric$nhj$1@news.freedom2surf.net>...
> "John" <zero_one34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9563BB2F18D2COEcopyremovedheaders@130.133.1.4...
> > "William Black" <abuse@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > news:ci4igh$kj8$1@news.freedom2surf.net:
> >
> > >> Don't tempt fate. The status quo isn't half as popular as you seem
> > >> to
> > > think it is.
> > >
> > > In this particular case I'm prepared to take the risk.
> > >
> > > Get your guns, start shooting, see who follows, see how long you
> > > last...
> >
> > For god sake Will's you have to be the most arrogant poster I have ever
> > had the misfortune to read. Have you got some mental block over the fact
> > that just because a person owns a gun they are NOT going to start a
> > revolution? The reason I ask is that you have posted this twaddle more
> > than once now.
>
> Where did I give that impression?
>
> The people posting are saying a revolution is just around the corner, I say
> it isn't

Like who ? I'm certainly not. The people in this country are too obese
and thick. Who's ever heard of a revolution of fatties ?
 
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