Series vs non series

[James2341]

Is this http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f317000cl11d8gbsr better than http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f312800cl9d8gbsr also on the first one is says series what does that mean?

 

[ingtar33]

what are you putting it in? cause i would lean toward the slower 1600 clocked CAS 9 stuff (low 1.5V) ram over the 2133 CAS11 1.6V stuff... especially if i was on an intel.

 

[James2341]

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/78NJTW thats gonna be my build

 

[ingtar33]

trying to stay under 500?

if you're willing to go a little bit over 500 i can do a little better for you


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A8-6600K 3.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-UP4 ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($75.29 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280 3GB TurboDuo Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Directron)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.98 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.15 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $564.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-27 19:40 EST-0500

the cpu is actually the same one you were looking at before only a few buks cheaper and with a working onboard gpu. not sure what encouraged that sale, but the price is incredible and worth every penny. The cpu cooler is for overclocking (i saw you had a k series cpu, so i stayed with an overclockable one for you), the motherboard is a better overclocking board then your previous one, slightly better ram, a better hard drive, and a better gpu round out the build.

 

[James2341]

Im on a budget so im trying to keep it under 500$ and would i be able to put that cpu without the cpu cooler on the build that i linked?

 

[James2341]

Sorry i didnt read the bottom of your post and no i wont be overclocking the computer will be mostly for minecraft/steam games while recording

 

[Deleted member 217926]

what are you putting it in? cause i would lean toward the slower 1600 clocked CAS 9 stuff (low 1.5V) ram over the 2133 CAS11 1.6V stuff... especially if i was on an intel.

That's backwards. AMD's integrated memory controller ( IMC ) is less advanced than Intel's and has been for years. Sandy Bridge ( 2xxx ) needed DDR3 1600, Ivy Bridge ( 3xxx ) did best with DDR3 1866 and Haswell like the fastest RAM you can give it up to about DDR3 2400. AMD has been stuck with anything over DDR3 1866 causing problems for years.

The exception is with AMD's APU's. Since they share system memory for graphics the graphics core gets a boost from high speed stuff DDR3 2133 and up.

 

[Tradesman1]

what are you putting it in? cause i would lean toward the slower 1600 clocked CAS 9 stuff (low 1.5V) ram over the 2133 CAS11 1.6V stuff... especially if i was on an intel.

That's backwards. AMD's integrated memory controller ( IMC ) is less advanced than Intel's and has been for years. Sandy Bridge ( 2xxx ) needed DDR3 1600, Ivy Bridge ( 3xxx ) did best with DDR3 1866 and Haswell like the fastest RAM you can give it up to about DDR3 2400. AMD has been stuck with anything over DDR3 1866 causing problems for years.

The exception is with AMD's APU's. Since they share system memory for graphics the graphics core gets a boost from high speed stuff DDR3 2133 and up.

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[ingtar33]

what are you putting it in? cause i would lean toward the slower 1600 clocked CAS 9 stuff (low 1.5V) ram over the 2133 CAS11 1.6V stuff... especially if i was on an intel.

That's backwards. AMD's integrated memory controller ( IMC ) is less advanced than Intel's and has been for years. Sandy Bridge ( 2xxx ) needed DDR3 1600, Ivy Bridge ( 3xxx ) did best with DDR3 1866 and Haswell like the fastest RAM you can give it up to about DDR3 2400. AMD has been stuck with anything over DDR3 1866 causing problems for years.

The exception is with AMD's APU's. Since they share system memory for graphics the graphics core gets a boost from high speed stuff DDR3 2133 and up.

I never said why.

the intel memory controller can't handle high voltages... generally you don't want ram with voltages over 1.55V for an intel cpu. you can start to run into problems over that point. it's not 100%, but generally speaking the number of intels that won't boot increases dramatically the higher above 1.55 you go. So ram with a 1.60V probably won't work on 5%-10% of intels, 1.65 probably won't work on 15%, and 1.7 won't work on 30-50%

furthermore, APUs don't use hypertransport 3.0, so in effect they're apparently good with any speed of ddr3, also amd cpus don't care about the voltage shoved into them, and the lack of L3 cache on an apu makes it pretty sensitive to ram speed, so intel's aren't' the only ones that benefit from fast ram, that said APUs seem to top out around ddr3 2133-ddr3 2400 depending on the generation and motherboard.

next, piledriver cpus are pretty much limited in gains to ddr3 1866... and even then it matters on the motherboard you're using. some can't even see a benefit in ram that fast on an older or lower quality motherboard.

-finally, if you're not using the igpu on the intel, there is no quantitative gain in performance above ddr3 1866 ram speed for haswell, and ddr3 1600 ram speed for SB and IB... of course if you are using the igpu faster ram will matter, but without it, that's really as fast as you'll need to go.

 

[Tradesman1]

Saying Intel can't handle voltages over 1.55 is ridiculous, they certify DRAM DRAM at 1.65, 1.5 is the recommended for for 1600 sticks. I do about 50 builds a year and generally all are 1.6-1.65 as most all my clients use 2133 and up, and I've never seen an Intel CPU that won't with 1.65 DRAM. It's also mistated that this voltage goes to the CPU which it doesn't, it goes to the DRAM. The memory controller in the CPUs - both AMD and Intel is a seperate voltage (generally the CPU/NB on AMD and the VTT in say Haswell

 

[ingtar33]

Saying Intel can't handle voltages over 1.55 is ridiculous, they certify DRAM DRAM at 1.65, 1.5 is the recommended for for 1600 sticks. I do about 50 builds a year and generally all are 1.6-1.65 as most all my clients use 2133 and up, and I've never seen an Intel CPU that won't with 1.65 DRAM. It's also mistated that this voltage goes to the CPU which it doesn't, it goes to the DRAM. The memory controller in the CPUs - both AMD and Intel is a seperate voltage (generally the CPU/NB on AMD and the VTT in say Haswell

i think we had this conversation once before a few months ago.

Read the literature on intel cpus. intel specifically states not to use ram with voltages 1.6V or higher. Furthermore i HAVE seen perfectly good intel cpus/ and ram with 1.6+V not work. the first time i saw it, it was a devil of an issue to hunt down. since then i've seen it 2 more times.

granted, 3 times when working in this field isn't much... but it does happen (and my percentages of course in the prior post were for illustrative purposes). from what i understand the -E series cpus have no such issues...

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Tradsman1 is correct. In fact Intel themselves certify many 1.65v memory kits. What you want to avoid are kits that require a high VCCSA or system agent voltage when enabling XMP. Pretty much any DDR3 except very old or low quality kits will be fine.

 

[Tradesman1]

Saying Intel can't handle voltages over 1.55 is ridiculous, they certify DRAM DRAM at 1.65, 1.5 is the recommended for for 1600 sticks. I do about 50 builds a year and generally all are 1.6-1.65 as most all my clients use 2133 and up, and I've never seen an Intel CPU that won't with 1.65 DRAM. It's also mistated that this voltage goes to the CPU which it doesn't, it goes to the DRAM. The memory controller in the CPUs - both AMD and Intel is a seperate voltage (generally the CPU/NB on AMD and the VTT in say Haswell

i think we had this conversation once before a few months ago.

Read the literature on intel cpus. intel specifically states not to use ram with voltages 1.6V or higher. Furthermore i HAVE seen perfectly good intel cpus/ and ram with 1.6+V not work. the first time i saw it, it was a devil of an issue to hunt down. since then i've seen it 2 more times.

granted, 3 times when working in this field isn't much... but it does happen (and my percentages of course in the prior post were for illustrative purposes). from what i understand the -E series cpus have no such issues...

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While my builds are pretty strictly K models, I see plenty of non-Ksthrough upgrades, problems, etc and have yet to run into one that has a problem w/ 1.65 DRAM unless the DRAM itself has a problem, and that can be fairly often with lower end sticks like 1600 and lower, needing 1.65 on those is indicative of weak or poorly binned ICs and I generally go through 100+ rigs a year in one way or another....