News Seven Asus B650 and B650E Motherboards Leak With PCIe 5.0 Support

May sound like a very unpopular opinion, but I'd rather have a PCIe 4.0 X16 slot support and PCIe 5.0 M.2 for 2 slots (and not more than 2 slots, even) for cheap than the reverse. 99% of gamers will be absolutely fine with that, since SSDs will definitely seem to be more likely to saturate PCIe 4 before GPUs do. So under that premise/assumption, B650 is going to be a better deal for most gamers than B660/B760 (Intel's) if they don't bump M.2 to PCIe5 (without sacrificing the X16 slot).

I wonder how expensive these will be though... Ugh...

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May sound like a very unpopular opinion, but I'd rather have a PCIe 4.0 X16 slot support and PCIe 5.0 M.2 for 2 slots (and not more than 2 slots, even) for cheap than the reverse. 99% of gamers will be absolutely fine with that, since SSDs will definitely seem to be more likely to saturate PCIe 4 before GPUs do. So under that premise/assumption, B650 is going to be a better deal for most gamers than B660/B760 (Intel's) if they don't bump M.2 to PCIe5 (without sacrificing the X16 slot).

I wonder how expensive these will be though... Ugh...

Regards.
From what I've seen every B series board has 1 PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot no matter the PCIe x16 configuration. I'd imagine it's a lot cheaper to wire that than a full length slot.

I don't see any point in anything above PCIe 3.0 for NAND SSDs on consumer platforms as they stand though. They all have absolutely dismal random performance and nothing can actually take advantage of the read/write performance. Optane is dead (P5800X will likely be the best SSD for years to come sadly) and Kioxia's XL-Flash is non existent on the market (though the first tests I saw had it pretty close to Optane). Hopefully DirectStorage will change things on the consumer side to at least take advantage, but only time will tell.
 
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May sound like a very unpopular opinion, but I'd rather have a PCIe 4.0 X16 slot support and PCIe 5.0 M.2 for 2 slots (and not more than 2 slots, even) for cheap than the reverse. 99% of gamers will be absolutely fine with that, since SSDs will definitely seem to be more likely to saturate PCIe 4 before GPUs do. So under that premise/assumption, B650 is going to be a better deal for most gamers than B660/B760 (Intel's) if they don't bump M.2 to PCIe5 (without sacrificing the X16 slot).

I wonder how expensive these will be though... Ugh...

Regards.
Honestly I would rather have PCIe 5.0 x16 for the GPU and M.2 storage can all be PCIe 4.0. As a gamer SSD PCIe connectivity has yet to hold me back.
 
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Honestly I would rather have PCIe 5.0 x16 for the GPU and M.2 storage can all be PCIe 4.0. As a gamer SSD PCIe connectivity has yet to hold me back.
No graphics card is even close to saturating a gen4 bus. I have to agree with Fran, the faster data transfer speeds are better, than the nothing you will see GPU side, unless AMD pulls out a gpu with an x4 gen5 slot. They seem to have a habit of such weirdness, as of late.
 

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There are rumors that RTX 4060 might be 5.0 with x8 lanes, so having 4.0 slot would limit it to x8 4.0 speeds for a GPU roughly the 3070 speed. So IMHO, single x16 5.0 and single M.2 5.0 is way to go. Optionally splitting those x16 lanes to 2x x8 as will probably happen with this STRIX board. As for other SSDs, cheaper boards will be fine with 2 M.2 slots (5.0+4.0), both are great, and having "slow" M.2 storage SSD at 4.0 will even be an overkill. I doubt anyone will do 3.0 for drives, though it would be enough for second drive. Anyway, sorry for bumping old thread, just wanted to point to new info and why 5.0 graphics card slots may be useful after all. You can also bet that something like RTX 5060/5050 will be 5.0 x8 as well, so upgrading lower end system could get bottlenecks.
 
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Considering how fond people here usually are to point out that PCIe 3.0 SSDs are already faster than what you need, and even SATA SSDs are more than fast enough, for home use, it is kinda funny and ironic how stuck up on the lack of PCIe 5.0 on cheap mainboards people are now...

Also, as mentioned above, considering that some Ada cards are rumored to be x8 PCIe 5.0, this is much better than the other way round since going 5.0 for the M.2 and 4.0 for the GPU would then lead to the same situation we currently have with the RX6500XT and 6400, just worse because it would affect higher-end cards as well. I seriously doubt AMD and their partner would want that backlash...
 
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Considering how fond people here usually are to point out that PCIe 3.0 SSDs are already faster than what you need, and even SATA SSDs are more than fast enough, for home use, it is kinda funny and ironic how stuck up on the lack of PCIe 5.0 on cheap mainboards people are now...

Also, as mentioned above, considering that some Ada cards are rumored to be x8 PCIe 5.0, this is much better than the other way round since going 5.0 for the M.2 and 4.0 for the GPU would then lead to the same situation we currently have with the RX6500XT and 6400, just worse because it would affect higher-end cards as well. I seriously doubt AMD and their partner would want that backlash...
I guess that's a fair counter-argument. If more GPUs start using X8 or even X4 (gosh!), then having a PCIe5 X16 slot will indeed be better over the PCIe5 M.2 ones (assuming lower end GPUs are indeed PCIe5). Do I want that to happen? Hell no. Unfortunately, it seems like that's a very plausible future for the lower end though, so it can't be dismissed.

For the higher end of the spectrum (GPUs, that is), it's a non-issue though. PCIe4 vs PCIe5 for a full X16 slot, I'll venture a guess and say it's a marginal difference and, more than likely, imperceptible. So a lower end board with a higher end GPU should be a non issue for a PCIe4 X16 slot.

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I guess that's a fair counter-argument. If more GPUs start using X8 or even X4 (gosh!), then having a PCIe5 X16 slot will indeed be better over the PCIe5 M.2 ones (assuming lower end GPUs are indeed PCIe5). Do I want that to happen? Hell no. Unfortunately, it seems like that's a very plausible future for the lower end though, so it can't be dismissed.

For the higher end of the spectrum (GPUs, that is), it's a non-issue though. PCIe4 vs PCIe5 for a full X16 slot, I'll venture a guess and say it's a marginal difference and, more than likely, imperceptible. So a lower end board with a higher end GPU should be a non issue for a PCIe4 X16 slot.

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That's all fine if you buy whole PC and stay with it. But if you buy new GPU in 2 years, hm, maybe that x16 4.0 starts hampering your GPU. Or if you go with split x8 for slot and M.2 (well 8+4) maybe your future GPU is full x16 5.0 and again gets a perf hit. I always look at MBO as the most important component, everything else is easily upgradeable. So yeah, call me delusional ;D but when I think about new system I want at least one full x16 5.0 slot and at least one M .2 x4 5.0. That's possible with B650"E", certainly with X670E but probably an overkill for me, and so far impossible with Intel. Now, if those B650E boards start at 300$ they'll get "hell-NO!" from me. If they manage a rough 150-200$ range, I'm there. Don't need WiFi, 2.5GbE, RGB bling, or 4 M.2 slots. So hopefully after initial avalanche of premium boards we get somewhat more sensible models.
 

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