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aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> National Socialist Germany 1933-1945 is an example. If war had
> been avoided, it would've been a model for the world. Jewish,
> British, and American warmongers brought about it's demise.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You may
believe such rubbish, but I will charitably consider you a troll.

> Regards to your capitalistic cesspool (America, Britain) which
> are in the process of dying. The decay is evident everywhere. No
> identity, no traditions, no culture. You're a means of enriching
> shareholders. A modern slave.

You don't get out much, do you? American identity, traditions
and culture are thriving. So much so that many other cultures
feel seriously threatened. Western culture is thought to be
to seductive and corrupting. It _is_ very popular.

-- Robert

 

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Robert Redelmeier wrote:
> You don't get out much, do you? American identity, traditions
> and culture are thriving. So much so that many other cultures
> feel seriously threatened. Western culture is thought to be
> to seductive and corrupting. It _is_ very popular.
>
> -- Robert

If you consider the cultivation of traits such as greed, materialism,
and superficiality, and corporations like Pepsico and McDonalds to be
'culture'. What an utter moron.

 

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Robert Redelmeier wrote:
> aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > If you consider the cultivation of traits such as greed,
> > materialism, and superficiality, and corporations like
> > Pepsico and McDonalds to be 'culture'.
>
> You are perhaps superficial if you cannot see
> beneath the surface appearances.

I see an insurmountable trade deficit with China, outsourcing of entire
industries, ethnic and racial problems, and a White population devoid
of true courage and pride. China's already in the process of attempting
to manipulate currency
(http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=48655), but that's
nothing compared to what's to come. Wait until they collect on this
debt. A debt that was incurred by those spreaders of western 'culture',
mind you. Real culture is art and architecture, music and poetry.
Truly, anyone who thinks of cultureless, capitalistic pigs as
disseminators of culture is a buffoon.

 

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Robert Redelmeier wrote:
>> aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > If you consider the cultivation of traits such as greed,
>> > materialism, and superficiality, and corporations like
>> > Pepsico and McDonalds to be 'culture'.
>>
>> You are perhaps superficial if you cannot see
>> beneath the surface appearances.
>
> I see an insurmountable trade deficit with China, outsourcing of entire
> industries, ethnic and racial problems, and a White population devoid
> of true courage and pride. China's already in the process of attempting
> to manipulate currency
> (http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=48655), but that's
> nothing compared to what's to come. Wait until they collect on this
> debt. A debt that was incurred by those spreaders of western 'culture',
> mind you. Real culture is art and architecture, music and poetry.
> Truly, anyone who thinks of cultureless, capitalistic pigs as
> disseminators of culture is a buffoon.
>
begone, nazi troll.

 

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Del Cecchi wrote:
> >
> begone, nazi troll.

Western buffoons tricked by their media that National Socialism was a
failure. Military defeat is a defeat of material not idealogy.

"We may be seeing in China the first true fascist society on the model
of Nazi Germany, where you have this incredible resource base in a
commercial economy with strong nationalism, which the military was able
to reach into and ramp up incredible production," a senior defense
official said.
(Bill Gertz, Washington Times; "Chinese Dragon Awakes, 06/26/05)

http://washingtontimes.com/specialreport/20050626-122138-1088r.htm

 

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aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you consider the cultivation of traits such as greed,
> materialism, and superficiality, and corporations like
> Pepsico and McDonalds to be 'culture'.

You are perhaps superficial if you cannot see
beneath the surface appearances.

> What an utter moron.

Thank you sincerely. Coming from you,
I can think of nothing more flattering.

-- Robert

 

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On 27 Jun 2005 19:46:09 -0700, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Real culture is art and architecture, music and poetry.
>Truly, anyone who thinks of cultureless, capitalistic pigs as
>disseminators of culture is a buffoon.

You have a very narrow view of culture. Culture is, by definition,
all of those aspects of society that make it what it is, even the
parts you don't personally like.

Really, imposing your own moral and cultural visions on everybody else
gives you quite a bit in common with the current inhabitants of the
White House. I don't suppose you see it that way, but the more you
post, the clearer it becomes.

I'd recommend opening your mind a bit, and taking off your blinders.


--
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer

 

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aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I see an insurmountable trade deficit with China, outsourcing
> of entire industries, ethnic and racial problems, and a
> White population devoid of true courage and pride. China's
> already in the process of attempting to manipulate currency

So? What else is new? There are always worries. There is
no "Golden Age".

> Real culture is art and architecture, music and poetry.

Conservative esthetics has no merit beyond gratifying senses.
Culture is not in the trappings but in the spirit.

> Truly, anyone who thinks of cultureless, capitalistic pigs
> as disseminators of culture is a buffoon.

More flattery. Do not confuse culture you find distasteful
with absence of culture. America has an extremely strong
culture many find distasteful, particularly because it is so
attractive. They would say seductive to masses they disdain.
In multiple ways, that is precisely the idea.


-- Robert

 

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aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Military defeat is a defeat of material not idealogy.

It is when military action is part of the ideology.
National Socialism requires an "us-vs-them" mentality.
Popular socialism requires the same mentality, but directed
inwards. Societies use enemies as cohesive and coersive forces.

> "We may be seeing in China the first true fascist society on the
> model of Nazi Germany, where you have this incredible resource
> base in a commercial economy with strong nationalism, which
> the military was able to reach into and ramp up incredible
> production," a senior defense official said. (Bill Gertz,
> Washington Times; "Chinese Dragon Awakes, 06/26/05)

Worry away! Napoleon did too. The Pentagon's track record
on political predictions is dismal. I don't worry much about
China -- it is ungovernable [diseconomies of scale]. I worry
less about who is dominant than what they do when they get there.
Even that is limited.

-- Robert

 

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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:39:05 -0700, aether wrote:

> Anyone who needs it explained to him that the U.S. is in decline is
> essentially mentally handicapped.

Anyone who thinks the Nazis are a model for anything but evil deserves to
have his family gassed!

--
Keith

 

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>>Anyone who thinks the Nazis are a model for anything but evil deserves to
have his family gassed!<<

You're an utter buffoon. Your mentality is that of a Soviet collective
farmer. A virtual drone with little going on in the frontal lobes.

 

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George Macdonald wrote:
> So how do you feel about the bureaucratic pigs who multiply and flourish in
> the power-centers of your "ideal" social structure.? By comparison, a
> capitalistic pig is easy to target and depose.
>
> --
> Rgds, George Macdonald

They're what you described them as being. Bureaucratic pigs. There's
also corporate pigs. Sometimes one and the same. (Dick Cheney)

The U.S. is losing industry of every kind. Jobs which are being created
to replace these are inferior, pay wise, to those lost. They also offer
few, if any, benefits. For example, General Motors, the largest
automobile manufacturer in the U.S., is slashing benefits for retirees.
Not minor cuts, either. Combine this with the massive, and exploding
trade deficit with China and other nations, and the prognosis is grim.

"Today, it is more difficult than it has ever been for young workers to
surpass their parents' standard of living, thereby achieving the
proverbial American dream.

The decrease in opportunity is illustrated by the average earnings of
young men. Men born between 1938 and 1947, who were ages 25 to 34 in
1972, had average incomes of $30,000 that year (in 1993 dollars). Men
born between 1958 and 1967, by contrast, who were 25 to 34 in 1992,
averaged about $22,000 in that year-a precipitous drop (see Chart
1).[1] Similar trends prevail with regard to family and household
incomes,[2] although an increase in the number of two-earner families
and growth in fringe benefits have partially offset the effects of the
decline in individual wages.[3]

Overall, young men today have lower incomes than their counterparts did
in earlier years.[4] This reduction in relative well-being early in the
earnings cycle is likely to persist or even worsen as this generation
ages.[5] These economic trends could well have political consequences,
as those affected look for someone to blame for their downward
mobility."
(http://www.urban.org/Template.cfm?NavMenuID=24&template=/TaggedContent/ViewPublication.cfm&PublicationID=7705)

"As wages fell for the typical worker, executive pay soared. From 1989
to 2000, the wage of the typical (i.e., median) chief executive officer
grew 79.0%, and average compensation grew 342%. In 1965, CEOs made 26
times more than a typical worker; this ratio had risen to 72-to-1 by
1989 and to 310-to-1 by 2000. U.S. CEOs make about three times as much
as their counterparts abroad."
(http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/books_swa2002_swa2002intro)

 

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On 27 Jun 2005 19:46:09 -0700, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Robert Redelmeier wrote:
>> aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > If you consider the cultivation of traits such as greed,
>> > materialism, and superficiality, and corporations like
>> > Pepsico and McDonalds to be 'culture'.
>>
>> You are perhaps superficial if you cannot see
>> beneath the surface appearances.
>
>I see an insurmountable trade deficit with China, outsourcing of entire
>industries, ethnic and racial problems, and a White population devoid
>of true courage and pride. China's already in the process of attempting
>to manipulate currency
>(http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=48655), but that's
>nothing compared to what's to come. Wait until they collect on this
>debt. A debt that was incurred by those spreaders of western 'culture',
>mind you. Real culture is art and architecture, music and poetry.

Nothing more than words of the mealy-mouthed aesthete. Those are only
artifacts of the true culture which allows/encourages freedom of
expression. Uhh "freedom" is one of the forbidden words in your favorite
society's Internet.

>Truly, anyone who thinks of cultureless, capitalistic pigs as
>disseminators of culture is a buffoon.

So how do you feel about the bureaucratic pigs who multiply and flourish in
the power-centers of your "ideal" social structure.? By comparison, a
capitalistic pig is easy to target and depose.

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

 

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aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> [Keith wrote:]
>> Anyone who thinks the Nazis are a model for anything
>> but evil deserves to have his family gassed!<<
>
> You're an utter buffoon. Your mentality is that of a
> Soviet collective farmer. A virtual drone with little
> going on in the frontal lobes.

Keith, I'm envious. Such flattery

While I very much appreciate the pithy humor of your rejoinder, I
must demur. Why make the innocent family suffer? No one deserves
to have their family gassed. Certainly not for holding ideas.

Furthermore, the one holding these ideas might not object.
Greater good of the state, and all that. Someone ready to
sacrfice will think nothing of making others sacrifice.

Nothing will bring the 50 million back. The idea is to learn from
the tragedy so it won't be repeated. Villification and taboo may
be simple, but they are incomplete and transient. Genocides have
continued. I believe studying the mentality which produced them
(however unsettling and unpleasant) is the only way to change it
and stop them under whatever banner they arise.

-- Robert

 

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:19:09 -0700, aether wrote:

>>>Anyone who thinks the Nazis are a model for anything but evil deserves to
> have his family gassed!<<
>
> You're an utter buffoon. Your mentality is that of a Soviet collective
> farmer. A virtual drone with little going on in the frontal lobes.

Me? Buffon? You're the one sugggesting that the Nazis had it all right.
That *does* include gassing a few seven-million humans. You are a sick
prick. You must be all of seven.

--
Keith

 

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:31:33 +0000, Robert Redelmeier wrote:

> aether <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> [Keith wrote:]
>>> Anyone who thinks the Nazis are a model for anything
>>> but evil deserves to have his family gassed!<<
>>
>> You're an utter buffoon. Your mentality is that of a
>> Soviet collective farmer. A virtual drone with little
>> going on in the frontal lobes.
>
> Keith, I'm envious. Such flattery
>
> While I very much appreciate the pithy humor of your rejoinder, I
> must demur. Why make the innocent family suffer? No one deserves
> to have their family gassed. Certainly not for holding ideas.

No humor intended. Yes, I assumed (obviously wrongly, in retrospect) that
I was replying to a normal human. The assumption was that the pain of
seeing one's loved ones killed would be worse than the self. I understand
that we're not dealing woth a normal human here.

> Furthermore, the one holding these ideas might not object. Greater good
> of the state, and all that. Someone ready to sacrfice will think
> nothing of making others sacrifice.

Yes, I think he would enjoy seeing his parent's tortured. That's what he
wants for the rest of us, so he can live out his fantasy.

> Nothing will bring the 50 million back. The idea is to learn from the
> tragedy so it won't be repeated. Villification and taboo may be simple,
> but they are incomplete and transient. Genocides have continued. I
> believe studying the mentality which produced them (however unsettling
> and unpleasant) is the only way to change it and stop them under
> whatever banner they arise.

I'm with you 100%. The case to study here is "aether". He seems to be
the typical euro-trash skinhead. It seems that is all going to happen
again.

--
Keith

 

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keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
> we're not dealing with a normal human here.

That may well be true, but I prefer to deal in ideas, not with
personalities. Unsavory ideas still have to be considered
while impolite individuals can and often should be ostracised.

> He seems to be the typical euro-trash skinhead.
> It seems that is all going to happen again.

I very much fear you are right. The EU does not seem to have
learned the correct lessons from past nastiness. Individual
rights are still not recognized as above social cohesiveness.
Property/economic rights are still not recognized as the
foundation of political rights.

-- Robert