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<A HREF="http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD04OTg=\" target="_new">Hexus has a review up</A> (even though they say they don't). Anyway, it's slightly worse than the FX-55 at encoding (in general), and slightly worse than the 3500+ in gaming. It will also carry a $1000+ pricetag (and need expensive DDR2 and an expensive 925XE board).

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That hurt for intel.

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[H] have done their own.
<A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjgyLDE=" target="_new">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjgyLDE=</A>

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What?

I don't really care about the P4EE, but I'm kind of surprised that <b>925XE does NOT support DDR2-667</b>. This is truly, really stupid. Many chipset manufacturers have announced plans to support 1066Mhz FSB and DDR2-667 and possibly above. Intel should jump at the possibility of ramping up DDR2 speeds quickly to make it more interesting to the end user. This would be the time to at least support DDR2-667, which is already available and has been for a while now.

Heck, even DDR2-800 is due out still in 2004!!! LGA775 is a good platform (think PCIe and azalia and so on), but the processors and memory for it stink up the whole place. If Intel can't do sh!t about the processors, you'd think they'd at least bother to use more advanced memory when that is available, wouldn't you???

I mean, DDR2-667 would operate without sync, but it would offer better latencies!!... Well, at least in 2005 we'll probably see DDR2-533 with 3-3-3 latencies or DDR2-667 proliferate better.

As is, DDR2 is dead in the water, LGA775 is still laughable because of bad memory subsystem and even worse processors, and Intel is still full of crap.

I doubt even the 6xx series, with 64-bit support and 2MB cache, will change a lot. It might make competition viable, but Intel won't get far with that. It's a cut-down tejas alright, but even then?.....

Now if only Intel repackaged dothan even at low speed bins and sold for LGA775, things would change altogether. Plus, dothan architecture IS compatible with S478 and LGA775...

As is, anyone getting a LGA775 system is still a fool.
Silly, silly intel.
 

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Reading with more attention, they seem to have added DDR2-533 support for CL3 latencies (3-3-3), which is outside the theoretical standard for DDR2-533. Sadly enough, though, I think such memory modules are not on the market yet... But that should have some performance impact.

In any case, they should have tweaked latencies for CL3 with DDR2-533 and even attempt CL4 with DDR2-667. They're really behind in terms of memory subsystems; they should push that as fast as they can.

(... they could, really, be truly ahead if they attempted to do yonah on LGA775 with 1066Mhz. Think about it: even if both cores are using the FSB at once, they each have 533MT/s and therefore exactly what they would have in the new sonoma platform, due out in january. And if only one core accessed memory through FSB, that core would have twice the bandwidth that a sonoma-dothan would have. Intel should really stop being stubborn)

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Anandtech are also into the race now.
<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2261" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2261</A>

Look at the performance improvements they show, hehe :lol:

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Intel took a beating today. Firingsquad, Anand, [H], all draw the same conclusions.

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Doesn't really matter how bad intel's chips are anymore, Intel is just a brand name now. I doubt they even care about the proformance crown, they are still selling sh*t loads of chips to new pc buyers and dell shoppers.

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Doesn't really matter how bad intel's chips are anymore, Intel is just a brand name now. I doubt they even care about the proformance crown, they are still selling sh*t loads of chips to new pc buyers and dell shoppers.
They could sell a lot more if they also had the best product available!

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Tru, they got a pretty good halloween scare.

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Anyway, is there anybody who have bought those CPU?

Most geeks know that Athlon FX is better... And IT people buy Xeon, not P4 or P4EE anymore! Well, this P4EE is B/S for me... I don't see one single reason to buy one.

Intel should really stop making those useless CPU, they should ocncentrate on next year DUAL-CORE madness!

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Two steps backward seems like good Intel sense?

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Wow, that review from THG even shows that <b>DDR2-711 is useless</b>....

...so that isn't what's going to change a lot for Intel. No wonder i925XE doesn't support DDR2-667, it doesn't matter!!!

They're in deep trouble.
 

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I think with Dothans memory bandwidth will be more useless.

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Okay, well I still like the Dothan chips, wouldn't Intel be kind enough to design a chipset to support that for desktop? I know Aopen has alrdy designed a tiny little board, but i can't find 1 anywhere. If the Dothan chips can be cranked up to 2.4-2.6Ghz, then they'll at least put up a fight in the gaming section.
 

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You could more easily than anything cram up two Dothans at, say, 2.13 or 2.26Ghz, on a single die and equip them with 1066Mhz FSB and DDR2-533/667. They'd need bandwidth which they'll have, they wouldn't consume more than, say, 50-60W <b>(!)</b> and they would put up a hellofa fight. They know that for a while now; if they weren't too stubborn, they have that planned even if only for contingency.

I'd be the first to buy a 2.26Ghz/2.4Ghz dual-core dothan with x86-64 support for LGA775 if such a beast existed. Heck, doing that should be even more practical than doing dual-core with A64!

Sorry, I can't seem to stop ranting about this. I never get tired of <i>insulting Intel</i> for not announcing smithfield to be dothan-based. Think about it; it's perfect! They wouldn't even bandwidth-starve the cores, like dual-core K8s will (one single shared memory controller)!!!!

***bangs head against wall***

Damn you, Intel managers! Yonah for desktops! ASAP! Forget smithie! It has been taped out a long while ago already! Smithfield hasn't!...

(unless they know something I don't......... who knows?...)
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Well nothing like that is on the roadmap, so i have no real option from Intel since i'm a gamer. Well I guess it's still the Winchester that i'm going to buy. This Sempron 2500+ on a GeforceMX integrated graphics is killing me.
 

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I wouldn't call dual core K8 bandwidth starved, considering their very low performance difference between single channel and dual channel DDR400 versions.

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There is a difference alright: it's rated to be somewhat around 100 PR points for ~3500+ A64 processors. That's not a lot indeed, but that's a difference.

Well, you're right, I think I overreacted, but there most definitely would be an advantage a 1066Mhz FSB-equipped dual-core dothan would have over dual-core P4s (for sure) and dual-core A64. The advantage might not be too big, but it's much smarter use of a 1066Mhz!!!!

An 800Mhz (or even 1066Mhz) equipped dual-core P4 is most definitely bandwidth starved....
 

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There is a difference alright: it's rated to be somewhat around 100 PR points for ~3500+ A64 processors. That's not a lot indeed, but that's a difference.

Well, I think I overreacted, but there most definitely would be an advantage a 1066Mhz FSB-equipped dual-core dothan would have over dual-core P4s (for sure) and dual-core A64. The advantage might not be too big, but it's much smarter use of a 1066Mhz!!!!

An 800Mhz (or even 1066Mhz) equipped dual-core P4 is most definitely bandwidth starved....
 

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Okay spitfire give me a straight answer if it's possible, for gaming which 1 would you take?

Athlon64 3200+ Winchester overclocked to 2.6Ghz
Intel Dothan 1.6Ghz 2mb L2 overclocked to 2.4Ghz