[SOLVED] Should I buy and CPU with more GHz or more Cores? Streaming / Gaming / Editing

[jason32103]

Dear,
i have an overclock right now with my pc, I got an Geforce GTX 980ti with an Intel core i5 7500 --> I can't stream with that games like Warzone, because my obs and my webcam program are tarking to much resources

I want to buy a new CPU that I can use for Streaming, editing and gaming, but i am not sure what I should buy. Should I buy a CPU like the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X with 4.1 GHz and 6 Cores (12 Threads) or should I go with for example the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X with 3.4 GHz and 16 Cores (32 Threads)?

I want to stream some games like Forza Horizon, Tarkov or Warzone, adding I want to edit with Premiere Pro. I have an 72 Hz monitor 1080p so I dont need to get that much FPS, but it would be nice if I would had some space so that I may can buy an better monitor in the future

Thanks for all awnsers

 

[CountMike]

Dear,
i have an overclock right now with my pc, I got an Geforce GTX 980ti with an Intel core i5 7500 --> I can't stream with that games like Warzone, because my obs and my webcam program are tarking to much resources

I want to buy a new CPU that I can use for Streaming, editing and gaming, but i am not sure what I should buy. Should I buy a CPU like the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X with 4.1 GHz and 6 Cores (12 Threads) or should I go with for example the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X with 3.4 GHz and 16 Cores (32 Threads)?

I want to stream some games like Forza Horizon, Tarkov or Warzone, adding I want to edit with Premiere Pro. I have an 72 Hz monitor 1080p so I dont need to get that much FPS, but it would be nice if I would had some space so that I may can buy an better monitor in the future

Thanks for all awnsers

For streaming on a single PC, more cores are desirable because CPU has to do more jobs at same time. Although arguably best CPU today, 5950x could be excessive (although nice to have) when 5900x or even 5800x would do same job. Practically anything new would be much, much better than what you have now.
You will of course need a matching MB and RAM. For 5600x to 5800x, almost any B550 MB would do and although 5900/5950x would also work, such CPUs deserve a good x570 MB, if nothing else for better equipment of such MBs.
You'd need RAM too of course, 32GB, 3600MHz DDR4 RAM and you will be set for a while.

 

[jason32103]

For streaming on a single PC, more cores are desirable because CPU has to do more jobs at same time. Although arguably best CPU today, 5950x could be excessive (although nice to have) when 5900x or even 5800x would do same job. Practically anything new would be much, much better than what you have now.
You will of course need a matching MB and RAM. For 5600x to 5800x, almost any B550 MB would do and although 5900/5950x would also work, such CPUs deserve a good x570 MB, if nothing else for better equipment of such MBs.
You'd need RAM too of course, 32GB, 3600MHz DDR4 RAM and you will be set for a while.

Hello again,
thank you for your help, I just searched a bit and found the Ryzen 7 3800x 8x4,5GHz for 300€ and when I compare it with the Ryzen 7 5800x 8x3.7GHz für 419€ it seems that the 3800 is worth the price, is there any thing that I forgot to look at?
Thank you!

 

[CountMike]

Hello again,
thank you for your help, I just searched a bit and found the Ryzen 7 3800x 8x4,5GHz for 300€ and when I compare it with the Ryzen 7 5800x 8x3.7GHz für 419€ it seems that the 3800 is worth the price, is there any thing that I forgot to look at?
Thank you!

R7 3800x is just souped up 3700x (+100MHz) but it's still 2nd gen Ryzen while 5000 series is 3rd gen so choosing by frequencies is not quite comparable even with same number of cores.
My policy as a consumer is to always buy best I can afford and not "just enough" but yes, even 3700x/3800x would be quite an improvement over your old Intel system (not because it's AMD, lol ) and do the job you want it for.
5800x is better by 15-17% better than let's say 3800x in all aspects so if you can afford it, 100 or so bucks more is investment in at least a year or two as it will "last" that much longer due to better performance.

 

[jason32103]

R7 3800x is just souped up 3700x (+100MHz) but it's still 2nd gen Ryzen while 5000 series is 3rd gen so choosing by frequencies is not quite comparable even with same number of cores.
My policy as a consumer is to always buy best I can afford and not "just enough" but yes, even 3700x/3800x would be quite an improvement over your old Intel system (not because it's AMD, lol ) and do the job you want it for.
5800x is better by 15-17% better than let's say 3800x in all aspects so if you can afford it, 100 or so bucks more is investment in at least a year or two as it will "last" that much longer due to better performance.

Ah, thanks. I really appreciate your support. But would you rather pick the Ryzen 7 3800x or the Ryzen 5 5600x in my position?

 

[CountMike]

Ah, thanks. I really appreciate your support. But would you rather pick the Ryzen 7 3800x or the Ryzen 5 5600x in my position?

Most probably 3800x on account of more cores/threads.

 

[MonsterMaxx]

If I were you, I'd look at performance monitor or task manager while running the apps in question to see if they are single threaded or multi threaded.

I have a very different system (9900k) and I do a lot of CAD and some video editing. The CAD is mostly single threaded so for me, clock speed is critical. When doing movies however, it's truly multi threaded so more cores are what it wants.

I made the choice that CAD was it's main job and therefore when I built this system it was clock speed that drove the equation.

 

[mikewinddale]

First, if you can afford the 5950X, get it, no question. It's the latest, greatest, and highest-end Ryzen there is.

But if you can't afford the 5950X, so you're choosing between the 5600X and the 3800X, then let's compare them:

Cores:
5600X: 6 cores
3800X: 8 cores
5950X: 16 cores
Winner: 5950X > 3800X > 5600X

Clock speed:
5600X: 3.7 GHz base, 4.6 GHz turbo
3800X: 3.9 GHz base, 4.5 GHz turbo
5950X: 3.4 GHz base, 4.9 GHz turbo
Winner: 5950X wins, 5600X and 3800X are tied. (If you have good cooling, you'll only run the base frequency when you're using all cores simultaneously. The 5950X only has a lower base because it has so many more cores. To guarantee that all 16 cores can run at once, AMD has to lower the base. But notice it still has the highest turbo. The 5950X will usually have a faster clock speed than the 5600X and the 3800X.)

Generation:
5600X: Zen 3
3800X: Zen 2
5950X: Zen 3
Winner: 5600X and 5950X. The Zen 3 has an IPC (instructions per clock) boost of around 10 to 20 percent. This means that at any given clock speed, the 5600X and 5950X will be about 10% to 20% faster than the 3800X.

Benchmarks, according to CPU-L:

Cinebench R20 single-thread:
5600X: 604
3800X: 522
5950X: 647
Winner: 5950X > 5600X > 3800X. Here, you can see the benefits of Zen 3 over Zen 2. The 5600X is 16% faster than the 3800X.

Cinebench R20 multi-thread:
5600X: 4562
3800X: 5078
5950X: 10428
Winner: 5950X by a landslide because of its 16 cores. Then, the 3800X beats the 5600X by 11% because it has 33% more cores (8 vs 6). but has a 10-20% reduced IPC (because of Zen 3 vs Zen 2).

Again, if you can afford the 5950X, get it, no question. Or you might at least be able to get a 12 core 5900(X) or 8 core 5800(X). Any of those will clearly decimate both the 5600X and the 3800X.

But if you have to choose between the 5600X and the 3800X, it's a toss-up. The 5600X is 16% faster in single-threaded apps, because it is Zen 3. But the 3800X is 11% faster in multi-threaded apps because even though it has a 10-20% reduced IPC, it has 33% more cores.

 

[sonofjesse]

10700 for like 230 is great CPU.

or even a 3700x or 5600x

Find the best value in your area.

You don't need a 5950x lol.

If your a normal person on a budget avoid the 5900 or 5950x not budget friendly (great cpu)

I got a used 3900X and its been great for me. Another option if you don't mind used CPU's you can save money.

 

[geofelt]

What is your budget?

For gaming, the graphics card is all important.
With a GTX980, your gaming is going to be limited by the graphics card.
For such as premiere PRO, the graphics card can be a factor.
Unfortunately, good graphics cards are hard to buy, even at 2x msrp.
Check out Puget systems for recommended configurations for premiere pro:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/recomm...obe-Premiere-Pro-143/Hardware-Recommendations

To evaluate a cpu, there are three factors, thread count, overall performance, and single thread performance.
For example, your I5-7500 has 4 threads and a passmark rating of 6054. That is the overall performance when all 4 threads are fully utilized. This is most important for multitasking and for batch multithreaded apps.
The single thread performance is most important for games.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-7500+@+3.40GHz&id=2910
You can look up the ratings for other processors.
Ryzen 5950X is a $1000 processor with 32 threads and a rating of 42000/3400.
By comparison, an intel i9-11900K has 16 threads and a rating of 28082/3764
It goes for $520 at microcenter.

Regardless you will want lots of ram. 32gb, and possibly 64gb.
When heavily multitasking, you want all the code to fit in ram comfortably.
When editing, ram is used as workfiles.