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I recently (today) ordered a new pc, the specs are as followed
R7 5800x3d
Asus rog strix b550 mobo
32 gigs mushkin 3600 cl16
1tb nvme os drive @ 5,200
2tb game nvme drive @7,400
Artic 360 aio
Asus ko 3060ti 8gb oc (lhr) don't know if lhr makes a difference
Thermaltake TP GF3 850w psu
Nzxt h7 flow case
Right now I have an Asus Tuff 27" 144hrtz 1440 p monitor for games

Should I downgrade to a 1080p monitor for a higher refresh rate (240)? I was told a 3060ti isn't a good 2 k card. I don't have the pc yet its gotta get built so I don't know what kinda frames I'll be getting at 1440 but I want to be ready for when the pc does come, i can't afford a 1440p 240hrtz probably gonna be tight on the 1080 if I have to go that route as I'm disabled.


Don't know if this is the right spot for this question as it involves system and monitor so I apologize if not.
 
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Honestly, you're unlikely to see any clear benefit going beyond 144Hz unless you're some top tier twitch shooter. And even then that's mostly just making sure they can't blame the equipment as much as possible.

The 3060 Ti does fine in 1440p anyway:
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hotaru.hino said:
Honestly, you're unlikely to see any clear benefit going beyond 144Hz unless you're some top tier twitch shooter. And even then that's mostly just making sure they can't blame the equipment as much as possible.

The 3060 Ti does fine in 1440p anyway:
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So the 3060ti is only capable of 119 fps? Or is this ultra settings?
 
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P0tluck94 said:
I recently (today) ordered a new pc, the specs are as followed
R7 5800x3d
Asus rog strix b550 mobo
32 gigs mushkin 3600 cl16
1tb nvme os drive @ 5,200
2tb game nvme drive @7,400
Artic 360 aio
Asus ko 3060ti 8gb oc (lhr) don't know if lhr makes a difference
Thermaltake TP GF3 850w psu
Nzxt h7 flow case
Right now I have an Asus Tuff 27" 144hrtz 1440 p monitor for games

Should I downgrade to a 1080p monitor for a higher refresh rate (240)? I was told a 3060ti isn't a good 2 k card. I don't have the pc yet its gotta get built so I don't know what kinda frames I'll be getting at 1440 but I want to be ready for when the pc does come, i can't afford a 1440p 240hrtz probably gonna be tight on the 1080 if I have to go that route as I'm disabled.


Don't know if this is the right spot for this question as it involves system and monitor so I apologize if not.
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The 3060 Ti 8GB is geared for gaming at 1080P so yes a 1080P monitor would be your best bet imo.

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In regard specifically to the 3060ti/1440 aspect, it would be dependent on what your expectations are.

IMO the 3060ti is going to perform a small fraction below a 3070. In my own experience (with reference 3070 on a 1440/144 G sync compatible monitor), I typically see from ~95 to 120+ at 1440 on AAA titles with highest graphics settings and none of the upscale features being used (aside from CB77). If I reduce that to 1080 I peg the capability of my 144 monitor.

There is no real 'need' to change your monitor when all you have to do is set the desktop to the lower resolution. In graphical ability you aren't going to be able to "see" that you have your 1440 set to 1080 by other than pixel size (if your eyesight is that good). The higher frame rate conundrum is a whole other argument.
 
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punkncat said:
In regard specifically to the 3060ti/1440 aspect, it would be dependent on what your expectations are.

IMO the 3060ti is going to perform a small fraction below a 3070. In my own experience (with reference 3070 on a 1440/144 G sync compatible monitor), I typically see from ~95 to 120+ at 1440 on AAA titles with highest graphics settings and none of the upscale features being used (aside from CB77). If I reduce that to 1080 I peg the capability of my 144 monitor.

There is no real 'need' to change your monitor when all you have to do is set the desktop to the lower resolution. In graphical ability you aren't going to be able to "see" that you have your 1440 set to 1080 by other than pixel size (if your eyesight is that good). The higher frame rate conundrum is a whole other argument.
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I don't know how to do that, I've tried downscaling to 1080 in what videos say and the games look horrible and I dont see any change in frames so I must be doing something wrong, as far as fps I just want more than 99 fps in the bigger maps on wz so im not stuck in multiplayer , I get 150 capped fps in the smaller maps with dlss quality settings, I just spent a good chunk of change on this pc I hope it's not for nothing
 
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Right click on the desktop. Display Settings. Resolution will be one of the main headings, and then 'Advanced' offers a framerate selection. Additional to that, you may be able to go into the Nvidia Control Panel and select whether G Sync is on, but that setting will depend on your monitor.

After that, load in your game to the 'lobby' and use settings to match what you just set out in Windows.

Issues with downscaling can be caused by a bevy of other things, so not really a troubleshoot that I am prepared to try assisting on with the information given in this thread.
 
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punkncat said:
Right click on the desktop. Display Settings. Resolution will be one of the main headings, and then 'Advanced' offers a framerate selection. Additional to that, you may be able to go into the Nvidia Control Panel and select whether G Sync is on, but that setting will depend on your monitor.

After that, load in your game to the 'lobby' and use settings to match what you just set out in Windows.

Issues with downscaling can be caused by a bevy of other things, so not really a troubleshoot that I am prepared to try assisting on with the information given in this thread.
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Okay thank you I've did that but it didn't change anything, I'll have to look at more videos, I just hope I didn't spend $3k for nothing😃


Edit $2k without a gpu as I already have one.
 
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It also makes a difference which specific game(s) you're talking about. The 9-game average that @hotaru.hino posted, for example, is the suite that Tom's Hardware uses, and, is, as stated, an average. Some of the games run faster, some slower.

I'll just throw in for now that I'd also question why you're dead set on 240Hz, since no human being can really tell the difference between, say, 144 vs 165 vs 200 vs 240, etc. At least, not without a frame counter showing them the number.

On top of that, as @punkncat indicated with mentioning GSync, adaptive sync allows the monitor to adjust the frame-rate on the fly. Ideally, a FreeSync monitor that has LFC (Low Framerate Compensation) and is also noted as GSync Compatible will ensure that you can use adaptive sync with whatever video card you choose in the future.

Side note - I don't know where you're posting from, so don't know what the prices are like in your region.. also I'm not sure if you've already finalized the parts configuration of the new system), but, it might be worth considering an AMD video card - for the money a specific Nvidia GPU costs, you can usually get an AMD card that performs better. ie: for the price of a 3060Ti, you can get an AMD RX 6700XT or 6750XT, both of which perform more like a 3070Ti (at 1080p) or 3070 (at 1440p)
 
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King_V said:
I'll just throw in for now that I'd also question why you're dead set on 240Hz, since no human being can really tell the difference between, say, 144 vs 165 vs 200 vs 240, etc. At least, not without a frame counter showing them the number.
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There are plenty of people who can tell the difference between moving objects at 120 vs 240 fps on a 240hz screen. Can they tell you what fps they are getting? Probably not. Can you show that they perform better, and that there is visibly less motion blur? Yes, its very obvious. Look at the difference between a 60hz OLED and a 120hz LCD. They will have around the same motion clarity. My point being that HZ and FPS are not everything as a disclaimer. Also the times anything beyond 120 hz/fps matters or will make a meaningful difference is almost exclusively competitive, fast paced games.
 
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King_V said:
I'll just throw in for now that I'd also question why you're dead set on 240Hz, since no human being can really tell the difference between, say, 144 vs 165 vs 200 vs 240, etc. At least, not without a frame counter showing them the number.
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There are plenty of people who can tell the difference between moving objects at 120 vs 240 fps on a 240hz screen. Can they tell you what fps they are getting? Probably not. Can you show that they perform better, and that there is visibly less motion blur? Yes, its very obvious. Look at the difference between a 60hz OLED and a 120hz LCD. They will have around the same motion clarity. My point being that HZ and FPS are not everything as a disclaimer. Also the times anything beyond 120 hz/fps matters or will make a meaningful difference is almost exclusively competitive, fast paced games.
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Hahah... my eyes can't tell the difference between 60 and 120... at least in 4K resolution so I run my LG CX OLED at 60 which is good anyway because not even the 4090 can do 120 fps in 4K on most AAA titles.

Thanks for that OLED vs LCD comparison with the motion clarity. I'm totally happy with 60 because it's stunning on the OLED display.
 
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King_V said:
It also makes a difference which specific game(s) you're talking about. The 9-game average that @hotaru.hino posted, for example, is the suite that Tom's Hardware uses, and, is, as stated, an average. Some of the games run faster, some slower.

I'll just throw in for now that I'd also question why you're dead set on 240Hz, since no human being can really tell the difference between, say, 144 vs 165 vs 200 vs 240, etc. At least, not without a frame counter showing them the number.

On top of that, as @punkncat indicated with mentioning GSync, adaptive sync allows the monitor to adjust the frame-rate on the fly. Ideally, a FreeSync monitor that has LFC (Low Framerate Compensation) and is also noted as GSync Compatible will ensure that you can use adaptive sync with whatever video card you choose in the future.

Side note - I don't know where you're posting from, so don't know what the prices are like in your region.. also I'm not sure if you've already finalized the parts configuration of the new system), but, it might be worth considering an AMD video card - for the money a specific Nvidia GPU costs, you can usually get an AMD card that performs better. ie: for the price of a 3060Ti, you can get an AMD RX 6700XT or 6750XT, both of which perform more like a 3070Ti (at 1080p) or 3070 (at 1440p)
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The pc is already ordered and being built, the gpu is one I already have in my current pc that's already paid for which is the 3060ti, I made a typo in my last post, the tower was $2k not $3k without a gpu, I have a 1660 super to put back into this pc once the new one gets here and maybe I can recoup enough money by swlling this pc to upgrade to a better gpu. If i had ordered a pc with these specs with a gpu it would of been over $3500 not including shipping, insurance etc etc as there's aren't pre-built three pc I bought us a until build special ordered cause I didn't want to go am5/ddr5.

As far as the monitor I don't want/need 200+fps but what i do want is so the game isn't choppy/laggy/blurry i want it to be smooth, with the pc i currently have I have to use dlss to even get barely 100 but this pc isn't nearly as good as the one i just ordered I dont think anyways(r5 3600, slower ram) like how much better in a 5800x3d than a 3600
 
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As far as the monitor I don't want/need 200+fps but what i do want is so the game isn't choppy/laggy/blurry i want it to be smooth, with the pc i currently have I have to use dlss to even get barely 100 but this pc isn't nearly as good as the one i just ordered I dont think anyways(r5 3600, slower ram) like how much better in a 5800x3d than a 3600
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In that case, I'd imagine that you'd be more than happy with a good quality 144Hz screen. I've generally got a preference for IPS, though some prefer VA type screens. I have zero experience with OLEDs, so can't speak as to the merits of those, though I've heard they're pretty amazing (but pretty pricey)
 
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King_V said:
In that case, I'd imagine that you'd be more than happy with a good quality 144Hz screen. I've generally got a preference for IPS, though some prefer VA type screens. I have zero experience with OLEDs, so can't speak as to the merits of those, though I've heard they're pretty amazing (but pretty pricey)
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I already have an Asus Tuf 144hrtz 1440p my question was will the 3060ti be okay to have at 1440p or do I need to downgrade to a 1080
 
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hotaru.hino said:
What's your goal here? We need specifics.
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Smooth game play with decent frames with I hope good quality as well. Have to bare with me im a stroke survivor so im a bit laggy irl lol, what do you mean by my goal , I don't want 300 frames u just rant to be able to play Games at a decent detail level with decent frames and the game to be smooth
 
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King_V said:
I don't see it as being a problem.

What specific games are you planning on playing, and at what detail level?
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I play apex, wow, wz, mw2 ranked, son's of the forest, elden ring, the evil within God of War, assassins creed etc and I plan on more new games in the future, with my current pc I can't go high on any game because of lag/stuttering which tbh shouldn't happen on this pc its not terrible but it's not amazing either. So when it comes to wz it's going to be all low/medium worth a better upscaling like fidelity cas instead of dlss I don't want super low settings as its better to lose a few frames and be able to see people than 200fps and can't see anything. But as far as games like elden ring , high quality visual games or wow I want to run medium/high. (But with wow its 22 years old and not optimized)
 
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P0tluck94 said:
Smooth game play with decent frames with I hope good quality as well. Have to bare with me im a stroke survivor so im a bit laggy irl lol, what do you mean by my goal , I don't want 300 frames u just rant to be able to play Games at a decent detail level with decent frames and the game to be smooth
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If we're talking about smooth rendering, then that boils down to the system itself, things like what CPU you're using, how the memory is configured, what software you're running, what versions, etc. The video card has little to do with it unless you're already at the cusp of running it to the ground and explosions are going off every 2 seconds.

Considering your specs, I see no reason for the hardware itself to be a problem. That is, barring any defects that aren't obvious, the basic performance level of your hardware is fine. So all that's left is to figure out if there's anything wrong with the system configuration. Everything from what settings you poked at in BIOS, to the version of BIOS (recent versions of AM4 based AGESA addresses some stuttering issues with fTPM, for instance), to what you poked at at the system level with Windows or any extra apps you have running.

If you really want to get down to the bottom of your performance problems, it's best to start with a clean configuration: everything at its default, latest version of the software, fresh install of the OS. Then start adding things incrementally from there.
 
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hotaru.hino said:
If we're talking about smooth rendering, then that boils down to the system itself, things like what CPU you're using, how the memory is configured, what software you're running, what versions, etc. The video card has little to do with it unless you're already at the cusp of running it to the ground and explosions are going off every 2 seconds.

Considering your specs, I see no reason for the hardware itself to be a problem. That is, barring any defects that aren't obvious, the basic performance level of your hardware is fine. So all that's left is to figure out if there's anything wrong with the system configuration. Everything from what settings you poked at in BIOS, to the version of BIOS (recent versions of AM4 based AGESA addresses some stuttering issues with fTPM, for instance), to what you poked at at the system level with Windows or any extra apps you have running.

If you really want to get down to the bottom of your performance problems, it's best to start with a clean configuration: everything at its default, latest version of the software, fresh install of the OS. Then start adding things incrementally from there.
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This is the upgraded pc, paired with a 3060ti should run pretty good , hopefully

https://imgur.com/a/QhiQvoM
View: https://imgur.com/a/QhiQvoM
 
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