[SOLVED] Should I upgrade my Apu? ryzen 3400g to 5000g or wait for new apus

[troyer1234567]

Hi
my current specs:
APU: ryzen 3400g
psu: 350w green
mb: b450m-a
ram: 2*8GB 3600mhz Corsair vengeance working at 3433 Mhz speed
gpu: none

usage: i loved gaming , now i'm 27 and kinda feel old, sometimes i play games , i don't have any heavy softwares like ADOBE photoshop, i just play games sometimes but games are not light

1. I don't have too much money so i think not buying gpu and sticking to apu is better choice , what do you recommend:
A. Buy gpu and sell my 3400g apu and replace it with a normal cpu (with no integrated gpu)
B. Stick to apu and upgrade it to better ones

2. if I choose option B and try to upgrade my apu, which one would you recommend:
A. upgrade to ryzen 5000 series APUs now
B. wait for new series to get released and buy them

3. When would you think they release new apu series for desktop? do you think they are better to buy comparing their performance/price to current apus?

 

[scout_03]

first check you will need to upgrade bios and a 350 watts is a bit low for a psu .

 

[troyer1234567]

first check you will need to upgrade bios and a 350 watts is a bit low for a psu .

bios is upgraded

psu upgrade is needed for adding gpu to system , not needed for upgrading apu to a better apu

so what do you recommend?

 

[GarrettL]

Budget?

 

[troyer1234567]

Budget?

not much
i can sell my ryzen 3400g and afford to buy a new 5750g

 

[scout_03]

if system please you for now i would keep it this way since board will be holding up to ryzen 5000 and win 10 support build up a budget so you will be able to buy all you need for upgrade .

 

[logainofhades]

To be perfectly honest, you will get more gaming performance with a GPU. Even something like a 1050ti would outperform any APU. Not sure what kind of budget you have, but this might be something worth checking out. This card requires no external power, and only uses 70w, which is 5 less than a 1050ti, that only needed a 300w PSU.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mADFD1OVh1E

 

[Eximo]

Not a huge difference in graphics performance between the 3000G and 5000G APUs, still using Vega.

A Ryzen 5600 + a light GPU is the way to go. Or simply adding a GPU to your 3400G.

RX6600 is the usually entry level card that is suggested. If you absolutely have to have the cheapest, then a GTX1650 Super, Intel Arc A380 , or RX 6500XT.

Your PSU might need to be replaced if it doesn't have the adequate PCIe power connectors.

 

[logainofhades]

Yea their PSU is part of why I suggested the RTX A2000. It performs as good, if not better than, an RTX 3050, while needing no additional PCI-E power connection. Simply put, it is the fastest GPU, that doesn't require external power.

 

[Eximo]

Yea their PSU is part of why I suggested the RTX A2000. It performs as good, if not better than, an RTX 3050, while needing no additional PCI-E power connection. Simply put, it is the fastest GPU, that doesn't require external power.

It is quite expensive though.

I've been tempted to get one for months now, I really like going for efficiency in my HTPC. But I have an A380 in for now, which prompted an overdue PSU upgrade (needed an 8-pin). Latest driver fixed the audio issues I had with it so I have no real reason to replace it now. I have been thinking about replacing the heatsink on it though, need to take some measurements to see if anything might roughly fit.

 

[logainofhades]

Have the prices went up on them? In that video they were like $250, but I haven't checked in on current pricing, for quite some time.

 

[Eximo]

Some on Amazon Marketplace for $280, legitimate retailers though over $400.

Refurbs on ebay for $265.

I think the news got out that they are amazing.

 

[Avro Arrow]

The IGPU of the R7-7700X appears to be much faster than that of the 5800G. It boggles my mind a bit because it means that the 2 CUs with 128 RDNA2 stream processors is faster than the 8 CUs with 512 Vega stream processors.

Going by the results from videocardbenchmark.net (Passmark Benchmark Suite):
Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Graphics - Average G2D Score is 2,113
Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics - Average G2D Score is 2,810
Ryzen 7 7700X with Radeon Graphics - Average G2D Score is 4,440

R7-5700G:
Pro - You can use your existing platform
Con - Performance uplift over the R5-3400G isn't very big

Positives for the R7-7700X:
Pro - Performance uplift over the R5-3400G is huge
Con - The cost of the platform upgrade might not be worth it

The differences between the R5-3400G and R7-5800G, while there, are nothing compared to the uplift from the R7-770X which can be huge. In the Passmark GPU test suite, these were the numbers shown:

R5-3400G:
DX9 - 30FPS
DX10 - 15FPS
DX11 - 31FPS
DX12 - 12FPS
GPU Compute - 1,434OPS

R7-5800G:
DX9 - 41FPS
DX10 - 21FPS
DX11 - 44FPS
DX12 - 13FPS
GPU Compute - 1,712OPS

R7-7700X:
DX9 - 70FPS
DX10 - 52FPS
DX11 - 82FPS
DX12 - 17FPS
GPU Compute - 2,064OPS

The IGP of the R7-7700X can use up to 8GB of system RAM while the IGP of the R7-5700G can only use up to 2GB.

I was initially under the impression that the IGPs of the Ryzen 7000-series were just meant to be glorified video adapters like the Intel IGPs but looking at them like this, they appear to be remarkably potent, more potent than even the R7-5700G's IGP, an IGP that Tom's Hardware called "The most powerful IGP ever".

I guess it depends on what you want and what you can spend but if I were you, I wouldn't be looking at another IGP. I'd be looking at dropping in an RX 6400 because it only draws 53W through the motherboard and your PSU should be able to easily handle that.
The Passmark performance of the RX 6400 is:
DX9 - 78FPS
DX10 - 100FPS
DX11 - 169FPS
DX12 - 32FPS
GPU Compute - 3,211OPS

The best part about the RX 6400 is the price, it's only $140 from Newegg. Now, I don't know where in the world that you are but this will definitely give you the best performance for your money compared to a new APU. You said yourself that when you game it's not light gaming and while the RX 6400 is no powerhouse by any means, it absolutely destroys IGPs, doesn't strain PSUs and is dirt-cheap. That's a win-win for you if you ask me! 😉

 

[troyer1234567]

The IGPU of the R7-7700X appears to be much faster than that of the 5800G. It boggles my mind a bit because it means that the 2 CUs with 128 RDNA2 stream processors is faster than the 8 CUs with 512 Vega stream processors.

Going by the results from videocardbenchmark.net (Passmark Benchmark Suite):
Ryzen 5 3400G with Radeon Graphics - Average G2D Score is 2,113
Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Graphics - Average G2D Score is 2,810
Ryzen 7 7700X with Radeon Graphics - Average G2D Score is 4,440

R7-5700G:
Pro - You can use your existing platform
Con - Performance uplift over the R5-3400G isn't very big

Positives for the R7-7700X:
Pro - Performance uplift over the R5-3400G is huge
Con - The cost of the platform upgrade might not be worth it

The differences between the R5-3400G and R7-5800G, while there, are nothing compared to the uplift from the R7-770X which can be huge. In the Passmark GPU test suite, these were the numbers shown:

R5-3400G:
DX9 - 30FPS
DX10 - 15FPS
DX11 - 31FPS
DX12 - 12FPS
GPU Compute - 1,434OPS

R7-5800G:
DX9 - 41FPS
DX10 - 21FPS
DX11 - 44FPS
DX12 - 13FPS
GPU Compute - 1,712OPS

R7-7700X:
DX9 - 70FPS
DX10 - 52FPS
DX11 - 82FPS
DX12 - 17FPS
GPU Compute - 2,064OPS

The IGP of the R7-7700X can use up to 8GB of system RAM while the IGP of the R7-5700G can only use up to 2GB.

I was initially under the impression that the IGPs of the Ryzen 7000-series were just meant to be glorified video adapters like the Intel IGPs but looking at them like this, they appear to be remarkably potent, more potent than even the R7-5700G's IGP, an IGP that Tom's Hardware called "The most powerful IGP ever".

I guess it depends on what you want and what you can spend but if I were you, I wouldn't be looking at another IGP. I'd be looking at dropping in an RX 6400 because it only draws 53W through the motherboard and your PSU should be able to easily handle that.
The Passmark performance of the RX 6400 is:
DX9 - 78FPS
DX10 - 100FPS
DX11 - 169FPS
DX12 - 32FPS
GPU Compute - 3,211OPS

The best part about the RX 6400 is the price, it's only $140 from Newegg. Now, I don't know where in the world that you are but this will definitely give you the best performance for your money compared to a new APU. You said yourself that when you game it's not light gaming and while the RX 6400 is no powerhouse by any means, it absolutely destroys IGPs, doesn't strain PSUs and is dirt-cheap. That's a win-win for you if you ask me! 😉

should i sell my apu and buy another cpu too?

 

[Avro Arrow]

Thanks for giving me best answer! 😀

should i sell my apu and buy another cpu too?

You could if you wanted to, sure. You have an AM4 socket, the most versatile CPU socket made in the last 20 years. You could put ANY Ryzen 5000-series CPU into it (make sure the BIOS has the correct upgraded version of course) from the R5-5600 to the R9-5950X and anything in between.

The thing is, the RX 6400 isn't powerful enough to bottleneck the R5-3400G so upgrading your CPU would make no difference. You'd need at least an RX 6600 to be able to properly utilize a Ryzen 5600 CPU. Now, you CAN get that card because according to the TechPowerUp GPU database, AMD recommends a 300W PSU. The only question is whether or not you have a connector for it because it needs a single 8-pin but it draws less than 150W so one of these would work just fine if you need it:

MOLEX to PCI-Express 8-pin Power Adapter

The RX 6600 isn't expensive either, there's a reason why it's considered to be the best value video card out there right now.
ASRock Challenger D Radeon RX 6600 8GB: $235 at Newegg
According to the TechPowerUp GPU Database, the RX 6600 is 130% faster than the RX 6400 while only being 68% more expensive. That's right, it's over DOUBLE the speed of the RX 6400 and I think that your PSU can handle it. Techspot's review showed that their test system pulled a maximum of 297W when running Doom at Nightmare settings at 1440p. If you only game at 1080p, you wouldn't even come close to that number.

Once you have that in your PC, then you can look at upgrading your CPU or PSU because spending money on an RX 6400 when you want to upgrade other things would be a bit of a waste. I was under the impression that you were satisfied with IGP performance and didn't want to bother upgrading anything else. If you DO want to keep upgrading, then the first step would be the RX 6600. It's only $35 more than the R7-5700G and you wouldn't have to buy a new motherboard or RAM. Your 16GB of RAM is just fine and it'll be at least a year or two before you have any real issues with that.

The RX 6600 with your R5-3400G would give you gaming performance so good that it would be like night and day. You'd be in absolute gaming heaven, especially if you're used to using an IGP. Since you'll still be using an AM4 motherboard, you will always be able to upgrade to an R5-5600 or better if you want to and you'll be able to grab a used one for cheap from eBay. Before doing that however, I'd grab a new PSU because you'll already be VERY happy with the performance that your PC is putting out even with the APU that you already have. I think that a 500W 80+Bronze or better would be a good choice for current hardware and a look to the future, but for about the same price as one of those, I found a 600W 80+Gold-Certified unit:
Thermaltake ToughPower 600W 80+Gold: $60

You won't find a better PSU deal than that. That will give you a strong foundation to work with (because the motherboard and PSU are the foundations of any PC) at the R5-5600 CPU if you want to (or you might just want to stick with what you have). Either way, this PSU will make your platform very upgradable and it has a 5-year warranty. With it, you'll never have to worry about what video card or CPU you decide to use (within reason of course) as even the RX 6700 XT only recommends a 550W PSU and that's three performance levels above the RX 6600.

So, the total amount that you'd need to have a stable and capable gaming PC with no concerns at all would be $295 and you don't need to get the PSU right away because I think that the one you have would be fine for quite awhile with an RX 6600.

As for the R5-5600, right now, it costs $150 from Newegg and it will be cheaper than that by the time you decide to get one. In any case, that's the best way to spend the money that you have because you'll be getting the best value from your GPU by buying the best value GPU, you'll be getting the best value PSU and you'll be able to get the best-value gaming CPU.

In any case, with just the RX 6600, your PC will already be more potent in gaming than any console ever sold. We're talking over 60FPS at 1080p in Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, over 100FPS at 1080p in Battlefield V and over 80FPS at 1080p in Fortnite. This is without any CPU upgrade, this is JUST with the RX 6600 for $235 and believe it or not, your APU is the bottleneck as if you ever want better than this, upgrading your CPU will allow the RX 6600 to go faster than this. Having said that, if you have a 1080p60Hz display (like most people do), you won't need to replace your APU anytime soon.

 

[troyer1234567]

Thanks for giving me best answer! 😀


You could if you wanted to, sure. You have an AM4 socket, the most versatile CPU socket made in the last 20 years. You could put ANY Ryzen 5000-series CPU into it (make sure the BIOS has the correct upgraded version of course) from the R5-5600 to the R9-5950X and anything in between.

The thing is, the RX 6400 isn't powerful enough to bottleneck the R5-3400G so upgrading your CPU would make no difference. You'd need at least an RX 6600 to be able to properly utilize a Ryzen 5600 CPU. Now, you CAN get that card because according to the TechPowerUp GPU database, AMD recommends a 300W PSU. The only question is whether or not you have a connector for it because it needs a single 8-pin but it draws less than 150W so one of these would work just fine if you need it:

MOLEX to PCI-Express 8-pin Power Adapter

The RX 6600 isn't expensive either, there's a reason why it's considered to be the best value video card out there right now.
ASRock Challenger D Radeon RX 6600 8GB: $235 at Newegg
According to the TechPowerUp GPU Database, the RX 6600 is 130% faster than the RX 6400 while only being 68% more expensive. That's right, it's over DOUBLE the speed of the RX 6400 and I think that your PSU can handle it. Techspot's review showed that their test system pulled a maximum of 297W when running Doom at Nightmare settings at 1440p. If you only game at 1080p, you wouldn't even come close to that number.

Once you have that in your PC, then you can look at upgrading your CPU or PSU because spending money on an RX 6400 when you want to upgrade other things would be a bit of a waste. I was under the impression that you were satisfied with IGP performance and didn't want to bother upgrading anything else. If you DO want to keep upgrading, then the first step would be the RX 6600. It's only $35 more than the R7-5700G and you wouldn't have to buy a new motherboard or RAM. Your 16GB of RAM is just fine and it'll be at least a year or two before you have any real issues with that.

The RX 6600 with your R5-3400G would give you gaming performance so good that it would be like night and day. You'd be in absolute gaming heaven, especially if you're used to using an IGP. Since you'll still be using an AM4 motherboard, you will always be able to upgrade to an R5-5600 or better if you want to and you'll be able to grab a used one for cheap from eBay. Before doing that however, I'd grab a new PSU because you'll already be VERY happy with the performance that your PC is putting out even with the APU that you already have. I think that a 500W 80+Bronze or better would be a good choice for current hardware and a look to the future, but for about the same price as one of those, I found a 600W 80+Gold-Certified unit:
Thermaltake ToughPower 600W 80+Gold: $60

You won't find a better PSU deal than that. That will give you a strong foundation to work with (because the motherboard and PSU are the foundations of any PC) at the R5-5600 CPU if you want to (or you might just want to stick with what you have). Either way, this PSU will make your platform very upgradable and it has a 5-year warranty. With it, you'll never have to worry about what video card or CPU you decide to use (within reason of course) as even the RX 6700 XT only recommends a 550W PSU and that's three performance levels above the RX 6600.

So, the total amount that you'd need to have a stable and capable gaming PC with no concerns at all would be $295 and you don't need to get the PSU right away because I think that the one you have would be fine for quite awhile with an RX 6600.

As for the R5-5600, right now, it costs $150 from Newegg and it will be cheaper than that by the time you decide to get one. In any case, that's the best way to spend the money that you have because you'll be getting the best value from your GPU by buying the best value GPU, you'll be getting the best value PSU and you'll be able to get the best-value gaming CPU.

In any case, with just the RX 6600, your PC will already be more potent in gaming than any console ever sold. We're talking over 60FPS at 1080p in Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, over 100FPS at 1080p in Battlefield V and over 80FPS at 1080p in Fortnite. This is without any CPU upgrade, this is JUST with the RX 6600 for $235 and believe it or not, your APU is the bottleneck as if you ever want better than this, upgrading your CPU will allow the RX 6600 to go faster than this. Having said that, if you have a 1080p60Hz display (like most people do), you won't need to replace your APU anytime soon.

wow thank you so much
helped me a lot bro!!!
god bless you !

 

[logainofhades]

Never, and I mean never, use molex to PCI-E adapters. That's a fire waiting to happen.

 

[Avro Arrow]

wow thank you so much
helped me a lot bro!!!
god bless you !

I'm glad that I could help. It's fun for me to look for deals like this and make people's lives easier at the same time. That PSU just fell $10 in price so I would grab it first while it's still there. At $50, it won't be there for long.

LogainOfHades also makes a good point. Now, I used a couple of those molex to PCI-Express connectors with my first HD 4870 because my PSU at the time didn't have those connectors and XFX included them with the card. They worked fine but I only used them for about 6 months because I bought an OCZ GameXStream 1000W PSU and it had the proper PCI-Express connectors on it.

While I think that saying to "NEVER EVER" use those Molex adapters is overstating it a bit, I would agree that it's not an ideal solution and should at most, only be used temporarily. Since the PSU is now $10 cheaper, just get that and you'll never have to think about this ever again because that PSU has enough connectors (and wattage) to run TWO RX 6600 cards at the same time without issue.

Here I thought that $60 was an unbeatable price for a 600W 80+Gold-Certified Brand-Name PSU and Newegg goes and drops it to $50. I guess it's your lucky day, eh? 😉