Should I use and HDD or an SSHD(hybrid) for gaming.

[Mr_SuicideDroid]

Here's my build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yvsXsJ
I plan on changing the card to the new GTX 1070 when it comes out. I'm also debating on buying an SSD later when I get more money. I want to do things like VR and play games like Fallout 4, Doom 4, and GTA V. How's the overall build look? The main question was should I replace my HDD with a hybrid HDD/SSD mix? Here's what I thought about replacing it with: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dx001
What would be the difference besides speed? Pros and cons?

 

[esco_sid]

would make more sense to do this

and hope your not actually buying the 970 just using it as placeholder
if you are a college student in usa you can get windows for free at dreamspark.com
and just get regular HDD and later get ssd such as 850 evo.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($34.39 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($294.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $950.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-24 23:02 EDT-0400

 

[azaran]

Eh, SHDD aren't bad. They're a nice middle ground if you need a lot of storage and don't have the option of running an SSD and HDD in the same machine. Because once you pop a SSD in, that drive is just going to be a basic storage drive. Aside from a slight boost in system startup and app startup I don't think they're worth it anymore now that SSDs are so cheap. For my two cents, I'd say put that extra cash in to a slightly better higher capacity drive like this
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/hitachi-internal-hard-drive-0f12455
Same 5 yr warranty but higher capacity.
Also reviews of that particular seagate seem to come back with a lot of people reporting dead drives within a few months of purchase.

Otherwise, build looks pretty good. The only thing I'd really suggest, if you're a stickler for noise, would be an aftermarket cooler. You're not going to be overclocking but the larger coolers do work better than stock and run much quieter.

 

[Mr_SuicideDroid]

would make more sense to do this

and hope your not actually buying the 970 just using it as placeholder
if you are a college student in usa you can get windows for free at dreamspark.com
and just get regular HDD and later get ssd such as 850 evo.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($34.39 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($294.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $950.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-24 23:02 EDT-0400

Thanks, and no I just put the video card in there to consider what more or less the final price was going to be.

 

[LazerL0rd -]

Eh, SHDD aren't bad. They're a nice middle ground if you need a lot of storage and don't have the option of running an SSD and HDD in the same machine. Because once you pop a SSD in, that drive is just going to be a basic storage drive. Aside from a slight boost in system startup and app startup I don't think they're worth it anymore now that SSDs are so cheap. For my two cents, I'd say put that extra cash in to a slightly better higher capacity drive like this
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/hitachi-internal-hard-drive-0f12455
Same 5 yr warranty but higher capacity.
Also reviews of that particular seagate seem to come back with a lot of people reporting dead drives within a few months of purchase.

Otherwise, build looks pretty good. The only thing I'd really suggest, if you're a stickler for noise, would be an aftermarket cooler. You're not going to be overclocking but the larger coolers do work better than stock and run much quieter.

I agree, you should rather go for an SSD. I personally have a Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB SSD and a 1TB Desktop Seagate SSHD. The SSD is around 500MB/s compared to the ~180MB/s of the SSHD. You can see the speed difference in that.

NOTE: The HyperX 120GB is quite cheap and i got it for 30 pounds, I would get two and RAID 0 them then buy a middle-tier 750GB HDD. You won't need a 1TB HDD if you have 256GB of SSD Space, 750GB will be just fine 😉.

 

[Vlad_14]

Guys my question is , if i install a ssd + hdd , are the games that are installed on the hdd influenced by the ssd or only the programs installed on the ssd are affected ?

 

[Kevin_Genesis]

Guys my question is , if i install a ssd + hdd , are the games that are installed on the hdd influenced by the ssd or only the programs installed on the ssd are affected ?

If you installing your games on the HDD then of course the bottleneck will be on the HDD read and write speed. If you're installing on your SSD then it'll be on the read and write speed of you SSD bottlenecked by your sata controller.

 

[Vlad_14]

Ok so for games only , what should i get : an ssd + hdd / sshd ?
Can i pair a ssd with an sshd ?

 

[azaran]

There's no point in an SSHD if you're not using it as a boot drive. An SSD will decrease your boot time and loading time of games. It won't do anything for the game play itself. Best combo in general is an SSD big enough to store your OS and the programs you use regularly (or all if you have the budget). You use the HDD for things like media storage, documents etc, stuff that doesnt really care about load time of an HDD vs SDD.

 

[Kevin_Genesis]

Ok so for games only , what should i get : an ssd + hdd / sshd ?
Can i pair a ssd with an sshd ?

Yes, there is no point in installing games in the SSD unless you have shit loads of money which you are able to spend. If not, go for a bigger HDD and maybe minimum a 128gb SSD.

My next actual configuration for storage in my desktop will be a 256GB ssd together with a 2TB HDD

 

[azaran]

Ok so for games only , what should i get : an ssd + hdd / sshd ?
Can i pair a ssd with an sshd ?

Yes, there is no point in installing games in the SSD unless you have shit loads of money which you are able to spend. If not, go for a bigger HDD and maybe minimum a 128gb SSD.

My next actual configuration for storage in my desktop will be a 256GB ssd together with a 2TB HDD

Eh no real point to a 128GB drive these days unless you only use it for the OS. You can get a decent 240GB for $70 and a 500Gb for under $150. Most people will never need more than a 240-500 for program files, including games. You really only need a HDD for storage of large amounts of files like music, movies, etc.

 

[Kevin_Genesis]

Ok so for games only , what should i get : an ssd + hdd / sshd ?
Can i pair a ssd with an sshd ?

Yes, there is no point in installing games in the SSD unless you have shit loads of money which you are able to spend. If not, go for a bigger HDD and maybe minimum a 128gb SSD.

My next actual configuration for storage in my desktop will be a 256GB ssd together with a 2TB HDD

Eh no real point to a 128GB drive these days unless you only use it for the OS. You can get a decent 240GB for $70 and a 500Gb for under $150. Most people will never need more than a 240-500 for program files, including games. You really only need a HDD for storage of large amounts of files like music, movies, etc.

Haha, sorry bro. In my country the prices for SSDs are expensive. Didn't know that the prices in your country are ranged like that. My bad. Cheers.

 

[azaran]

Ok so for games only , what should i get : an ssd + hdd / sshd ?
Can i pair a ssd with an sshd ?

Yes, there is no point in installing games in the SSD unless you have shit loads of money which you are able to spend. If not, go for a bigger HDD and maybe minimum a 128gb SSD.

My next actual configuration for storage in my desktop will be a 256GB ssd together with a 2TB HDD

Eh no real point to a 128GB drive these days unless you only use it for the OS. You can get a decent 240GB for $70 and a 500Gb for under $150. Most people will never need more than a 240-500 for program files, including games. You really only need a HDD for storage of large amounts of files like music, movies, etc.

Haha, sorry bro. In my country the prices for SSDs are expensive. Didn't know that the prices in your country are ranged like that. My bad. Cheers.

No worries, I'm just sad to hear SSD's are that big of an investment in your area. Its good to have cheap parts

 

[Kevin_Genesis]

Ok so for games only , what should i get : an ssd + hdd / sshd ?
Can i pair a ssd with an sshd ?

Yes, there is no point in installing games in the SSD unless you have shit loads of money which you are able to spend. If not, go for a bigger HDD and maybe minimum a 128gb SSD.

My next actual configuration for storage in my desktop will be a 256GB ssd together with a 2TB HDD

Eh no real point to a 128GB drive these days unless you only use it for the OS. You can get a decent 240GB for $70 and a 500Gb for under $150. Most people will never need more than a 240-500 for program files, including games. You really only need a HDD for storage of large amounts of files like music, movies, etc.

Haha, sorry bro. In my country the prices for SSDs are expensive. Didn't know that the prices in your country are ranged like that. My bad. Cheers.

No worries, I'm just sad to hear SSD's are that big of an investment in your area. Its good to have cheap parts

Yeah man. If not I would have gone for a 250gb SSD at the very least.

 

[USAFRet]

NOTE: The HyperX 120GB is quite cheap and i got it for 30 pounds, I would get two and RAID 0 them then buy a middle-tier 750GB HDD. You won't need a 1TB HDD if you have 256GB of SSD Space, 750GB will be just fine 😉.

Bad idea. RAID 0 + SSD is useless. Zero real world performance benefit.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html
If you want 250GB SSD space then just buy a 250GB SSD.

And 750GB HDD vs 1TB HDD is basically $0 difference.

 

[Vlad_14]

I basically dont use any other programm with big loading time apart from google =]] and thats it , and ofc the os . I dont do programming or video editing or anything that would need less loading time , and from what i've seen theres an 5-10 seconds difference between a ssd and a sshd when loading windows up . So i will still stick with an sshd probably , its better for gaming and for my needs . All respect for the ssd , but in my country there are big price difference too . For example , a gtx 1070 is like 520 - 530 dollars here .
But can u answer me this : can i pair an sshd with a ssd ? they should work but im asking . Maybe next 4~5 yaers when ill buy a new gpu and cpu , ill have some money to spend on a ssd (considering that i wont need a new case power supply etc) .
And btw , from what i've understood : games that are installed on the hdd wont have lower loading times , just because i have my os installed on an ssd . I understood correctly?

 

[USAFRet]

I basically dont use any other programm with big loading time apart from google =]] and thats it , and ofc the os . I dont do programming or video editing or anything that would need less loading time , and from what i've seen theres an 5-10 seconds difference between a ssd and a sshd when loading windows up . So i will still stick with an sshd probably , its better for gaming and for my needs . All respect for the ssd , but in my country there are big price difference too . For example , a gtx 1070 is like 520 - 530 dollars here .
But can u answer me this : can i pair an sshd with a ssd ? they should work but im asking . Maybe next 4~5 yaers when ill buy a new gpu and cpu , ill have some money to spend on a ssd (considering that i wont need a new case power supply etc) .
And btw , from what i've understood : games that are installed on the hdd wont have lower loading times , just because i have my os installed on an ssd . I understood correctly?

SDD, SSHD, HDD.
You can any combination of some or all. Makes no difference.

Having the OS on one drive and the game on a different drive does not make the game load any slower.

 

[Vlad_14]

"doesnt not make the game load any slower" slower than what ? slower than the same game installed on an ssd vs installed on a hdd ? are you sure , or what do u mean exactly?

 

[USAFRet]

"doesnt not make the game load any slower" slower than what ? slower than the same game installed on an ssd vs installed on a hdd ? are you sure , or what do u mean exactly?

If the game is installed on an SSD, then things would load faster.

Things that live on the HDD load at whatever speed the HDD gives. Having the game on one drive and the OS on a different drive makes no difference.

 

[Vlad_14]

Good , then that means that i wont need a ssd , cause i dont really care about windows time loading up vs a sshd its basically no big difference . Between a hdd and ssd ? Ofc ssd . But for gaming the sshd seems to be the best choice , as i want my GAMES to load faster , not my os . Ty for ur answer

 

[drtweak]

The issue with the SSHD though is that there is only a 8GB SSD that you don't have control over on what gets stored there. It just moved the top most accessed 8GB of data. With a game there are a lot of different files. Unless you play the same level over and over and over again you will not see the speed increase of the 8GB Cashe.

I have a 240GB M500 as my main drive in my gaming machine. I recently just tossed in an extra 1TB WD Red and installed a bunch of games i'm going to play on there VS just installing one at a time on the SSD. Like I just finally got doom and damn its like a 70GB game. Also The Evil Within is a Huge game as well. Tonight I will be playing them. The Evil Within I played on the SSD before along with Resident Evil 6 which I will be putting onto the HDD as well tonight. I have noticed in the past that loading times are faster but that is it. once the game is loaded the SDD/HDD makes almost not difference anywhere else.