[SOLVED] Should I wait for Ryzen 4000?

[Deleted member 2720853]

Planning to make the switch from my Intel i7-8700 to a Ryzen. I don't see any meaningful increase in performance right now in any Ryzen unless I go for a Ryzen 9 3900X or higher, which I don't even know if it's a good idea. If I'm wrong, do let me know.

Should I wait and save up for Zen 3 and a B550 board? Are there any Ryzen upgrades I could do now that would be worth the money? I'm also planning to replace my current Thermaltake UX200 air cooler with a be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4.

I have 32 GB of 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Corsair Vengeance LPX memory as well, which is in the QVL list for a few B550 boards I had my eye on, especially the B550 Aorus Pro, as I currently have the Z390 Aorus Pro. So ideally, I would only need to upgrade the motherboard, CPU and CPU cooler. The rest can remain.

My GPU is no problem as it is a highly overclocked RTX 2070 that manages to get +20% over its regular score on any benchmark, making it on par with a friends' RTX 2070 Super (that was also OCd). I only have a 1080p144 monitor anyway, and a 1080p75 secondary.

What do you think?

 

[bmockeg]

Planning to make the switch from my Intel i7-8700 to a Ryzen. I don't see any meaningful increase in performance right now in any Ryzen unless I go for a Ryzen 9 3900X or higher, which I don't even know if it's a good idea. If I'm wrong, do let me know.

Should I wait and save up for Zen 3 and a B550 board? Are there any Ryzen upgrades I could do now that would be worth the money? I'm also planning to replace my current Thermaltake UX200 air cooler with a be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4.

I have 32 GB of 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Corsair Vengeance LPX memory as well, which is in the QVL list for a few B550 boards I had my eye on, especially the B550 Aorus Pro, as I currently have the Z390 Aorus Pro. So ideally, I would only need to upgrade the motherboard, CPU and CPU cooler. The rest can remain.

My GPU is no problem as it is a highly overclocked RTX 2070 that manages to get +20% over its regular score on any benchmark, making it on par with a friends' RTX 2070 Super (that was also OCd). I only have a 1080p144 monitor anyway, and a 1080p75 secondary.

What do you think?

For strictly gaming there’s no reason to get any Ryzen CPU as they will perform worse than what you already have. Ryzen is great for multithreaded applications and for gaming at 1440p/4k where the CPU matters less. Intel holds a good advantage still in 1080p gaming where your current CPU will outperform even a 3900x. If you want any improvements then look at a 10700k or wait for new stuff. My opinion is wait.

 

[Math Geek]

at this point, there would not be enough of an upgrade to make it worth the move right now.

so obviously waiting for the 4000 series and whatever gains it brings is worth the wait. who knows it may not even be worth it then. the 8700 is still pretty new and a good cpu for a few years to come really.

enjoy what you have and see what might be worth it down the road.

 

[Deleted member 2720853]

I am really bent on two options: Getting the 3900x in 2 months after saving up $750 so I have a 12-core CPU, or wait with this dreaded room heater and endure everyone flexing their Ryzens until the Ryzen 4000 series comes out. I don't even know if I'll be able to upgrade then.

Sounds stupid? Yes. Is it hard to explain? Also yes. To put it short, I'm not fully independent and in control of my own money. So despite my original optimism it's either now or never.

Gaming is not very important to me. As long as I get over 144 frames, I'm good.

My 2x 16GB 3200 MHz CL16 RAM will probably also be considered trash by then, by Ryzen standards. And then I'll have to spend god knows how much on another RAM kit, potentially 4x 8GB 3600 Mhz CL16/3200 MHz CL14, which adds an insane amount of money on top of the limited save-up-ability I already have.

I really don't want to stick with Intel.

 

[dorsai]

I would wait...sure the 3900x will stomp the 8700 in everything but gaming...but I would still wait. You didn't say what you're primary use is...if it's mostly gaming then wait for sure. If you're doing video work then there's no reason not to jump now as the 3900x is a beast for productivity work and pretty solid at gaming.

 

[Deleted member 2720853]

I would wait...sure the 3900x will stomp the 8700 in everything but gaming...but I would still wait. You didn't say what you're primary use is...if it's mostly gaming then wait for sure. If you're doing video work then there's no reason not to jump now as the 3900x is a beast for productivity work and pretty solid at gaming.

My reason is pretty stupid, to have a double digit core count. I barely game nowadays.

Once again, if I don't upgrade in two months time I may barely be able to upgrade again. Not independent, on "welfare" (more like attending some courses and receiving money in return - which will only last for the following 2 months, my income will be limited afterwards), have to ocasionally support my family and my money is barely in my control.

I was thinking if I get the 3900X now I wouldn't have to upgrade CPU in at least 5 years. That's what I wanna do.

And my RAM will be obsolete by the time Ryzen 4000 comes out, and thats another $150+ as I prefer 32 GB.

 

[Third-Eye]

I am really bent on two options: Getting the 3900x in 2 months after saving up $750 so I have a 12-core CPU, or wait with this dreaded room heater and endure everyone flexing their Ryzens until the Ryzen 4000 series comes out. I don't even know if I'll be able to upgrade then.

Sounds stupid? Yes. Is it hard to explain? Also yes. To put it short, I'm not fully independent and in control of my own money. So despite my original optimism it's either now or never.

Gaming is not very important to me. As long as I get over 144 frames, I'm good.

My 2x 16GB 3200 MHz CL16 RAM will probably also be considered trash by then, by Ryzen standards. And then I'll have to spend god knows how much on another RAM kit, potentially 4x 8GB 3600 Mhz CL16/3200 MHz CL14, which adds an insane amount of money on top of the limited save-up-ability I already have.

I really don't want to stick with Intel.

Why do you think you need to upgrade your CPU? The i7-8700 is as fast as a R 7 3800XT. Also, if it's just for gaming anything over 3200 is usually overkill and most games won't see any real performance benefit other than slightly reduced loading times.

If gaming isn't very important to you, why do you require 144fps? Save your money and wait for Ryzen 4000.

 

[dorsai]

If you're going to be using the machine for 5 years then grab the 3900x setup...it will age better than the 8700 for sure.

 

[Deleted member 2720853]

Why do you think you need to upgrade your CPU? The i7-8700 is as fast as a R 7 3800XT. Also, if it's just for gaming anything over 3200 is usually overkill and most games won't see any real performance benefit other than slightly reduced loading times.

If gaming isn't very important to you, why do you require 144fps? Save your money and wait for Ryzen 4000.

I explained everything already. I do play games, but not more than 2 hours a day. Or idk, 5 minutes after entering a game, I exit. I'm just that disinterested. There are weeks where I don't play anything. But when I do play, I'd rather have the framerate at 144 minimum because I have a 144 Hz monitor.

My current CPU can already push that, the 3900x will definitely push that same framerate if not a little bit higher.

I care about multitasking more than gaming.

Anyway, one strong motivating factor is the fact that I was really craving a Ryzen build and I'm beginning to hate my choice of going with an Intel processor.

If you're going to be using the machine for 5 years then grab the 3900x setup...it will age better than the 8700 for sure.

Yeah, that's the plan.

One more question for you guys, is the CX 650 enough for a R9 3900x & RTX 2070? My current CPU is pushing 95W under Prime95 full load, and if I recall correctly Ryzens sit around their max TDP (105 W) quite nicely. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think I'm gonna go with it then not worry about CPU upgrades.

 

[Math Geek]

your thought about ryzen 4000 making your ram obsolete is not true.

ddr 5 specs are out but it will be a long time before we see it mainstream. we'll still be ok ddr4 by then. i'd not let that factor into your decision.

though this seems more of a "i want it" rather than " i need it" it is still a valid purchase if it makes you happy

i build overkill systems myself to get that extra bit of life out of them. the gpu is easy to upgrade but i tend to overdo the cpu and ram to be able to keep it for a few years. i do't make it to 5 years between rebuilds for myself. but the systems live on for a long time as hand me downs around the house. finally gave awy my old q6600 system that i've had for 10+ years if that shows how long i can keep a system around in one way or another.

 

[Deleted member 2720853]

though this seems more of a "i want it" rather than " i need it" it is still a valid purchase if it makes you happy

Yup... A Ryzen, especially a double digit core count one, is practically my dream. And right now is potentially the only chance I could ever get it. I want to marvel at the amount of threads I have every time I open Task Manager, which right now feels underwhelming compared to some of my friends' Ryzen 8c16t builds.

I am planning to keep upgrading this system. A 12-core CPU, it being a Ryzen as well, would make me not think about CPU upgrades for the next 5-6 years at the very least.

your thought about ryzen 4000 making your ram obsolete is not true.

ddr 5 specs are out but it will be a long time before we see it mainstream. we'll still be ok ddr4 by then. i'd not let that factor into your decision.

I was more worried about my 3200 MHz CL16 RAM not being up to par with newer Ryzens, as the 2000 series were fine with 3200 MHz, now the 3000 series' sweet spot is 3600 MHz, who knows what 4000 series will be.