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HP haha, how many PC's do they sell compared to Dell?

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Oh my well here in Alberta UofA UofS NAIT SAIT all use Dell 4-1 off to a bad start little wusy.

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80% of my university's computers were Gateway, 17% Dell, 3% IBM. That's a rough estimate for PC's only, they also have various servers and MAC's.

Each department buys computers based on special package deals. BTW, Gateway uses AMD too, but...I don't think any of their midrange business class PC's have them.

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>HP haha, how many PC's do they sell compared to Dell?

You'd be surprised. At least, I was:
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As it is, its better for AMD to have all oem's except Dell, and having those oem's using AMD as a competitive advantage against Dell (like Sun betting on Opteron). If Dell would also sell AMD's, other oem's might be even less inclined to push AMD based products. As it is, its really not that bad for AMD.

The only thing really lacking IMO, is a strong offer of business PC's. There are precious few AMD based models in this segment.


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>The only thing really lacking IMO, is a strong offer of business PC's. There are precious few AMD based models in this segment.

There will be when the power bills arrive...
 

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>There will be when the power bills arrive...

I doubt its a big issue. most corporate PC's iddle 99% of them time in Word, excel, Outlook, etc. The difference between an AMD powered PC and an intel one isn't all that great while iddling. Compared to the powerdraw of a typical CRT (or even large LCD), its insignificant. Noise might be a bigger issue, but I have no idea how silent oem's make their high end Intel desktops these days. i've not heard many complaints, so I'd guess they are still tackling that one.

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You might be right. I come to a room where they have about 8 P4c's close together and they are all whisper quiet. They say they choose all the components for silence.

On the other hand there's a room with 60 Dell mini pc's with 3,2 gig Prescotts. They are also relatively quiet but they heat the room so much they had to install an additional a/c unit. That should matter.
 

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Are you sure about that? Just for arguments sake, let's say there's a difference of 40 watts. That's not a big deal right? We are talking pure heat though. How efficient are air conditioners? 50% sounds like a good number. Now we need an extra 80 watts to cool in the summer, so that means 120 watts. Most corporations leave thier computers on 24/7. Thier power bill arrives every 2 months.. medium large companies will have 500+ computers in a head office.
So, lets see, thats 120 X 24 X 60 X 500/1000. That would be 86 thousand kilowatt hours. How much do you pay for a KWH.
Where I work, we have 10X that many computers. We are looking to a major upgrade to our HVAC. Now , the price is getting into the millions. Add to that, an increase to our power bill of about $50K /bill, and it looks expensive to me. Not that anyone will notice though, we are using 4.5 megawatthours/hour.

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hp also includes compaq dont forget.. all of cingular wireless now uses hp/compaq for their desktops.

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Noise might be a bigger issue, but I have no idea how silent oem's make their high end Intel desktops these days.
They aren't going to be any quieter than the stock scotty HSFs, and those make far too much noise IMO.

Friend of mine has a Fujitsu P4 3.4, and that does a good impression of a jet engine. It's not <i>incredibly</i> loud, but 20 of them in an office would be... unpleasant.

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I see your math, but you should compare them percentage wise, otherwise its meaningless. Using your number game, one could conclude that using wireless mice costs thousands of dollars to a large company each year in electricity costs alone.

>Just for arguments sake, let's say there's a difference of
>40 watts

Its more like 20W difference for the cpu (in iddle). That might translate to 30+W before powerconversion, but the irony here is that the efficiency of the PSU and voltage regulators probably makes a bigger difference than the cpu's themselves (again, iddling).

> Not that anyone will notice though, we are using 4.5
>megawatthours/hour.

My point exactly :) Of course there is an improvement in using 90nm A64s over similary performing P4s related to cost of electricity, but in the total cost of ownership, its going to be pretty neglectable.

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Oh my well here in Alberta UofA UofS NAIT SAIT all use Dell 4-1 off to a bad start little wusy.
Ok first of all the U of S is in saskachewan buddy. Second of all, how would u know what the universities use for computers? Have u been to all of them and checked out the facilities? Have u even graduated from high school yet...?
 

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Actually I am currently enrolled in NAIT, software engineering would you like my student # to confirm.

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Oh oops U of S my bad I honestly dont know what they use neither do I care Sask is a terrible province which should be sold to some small south american country.

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Naw its aight i know its what u always wanted to do. Just didnt know u had gone and finished the 1st step in your education already.
 

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I see your math, but you should compare them percentage wise, otherwise its meaningless. Using your number game, one could conclude that using wireless mice costs thousands of dollars to a large company each year in electricity costs alone.
That's not a good analogy. A better analogy would be "what if a company discovered that the wireless mice it was using cost 20% more in terms of power consumption than another wireless mouse with equal or better performance would cost."
 

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Actually, I think the cost of electricity is pretty moot as most of the PCs I see don't even have their monitor shut off after x minutes of inactivity. :O Talk about waste!

Plus most office PCs that I've seen are crap. They're no where near high end because no one needs a high-end PC just to run Word and check their email. They typically have only a 200W power supply or so and their power usage isn't exactly heavy.

Hell, even as a software engineer my work PC is only a P4A 2.0GHz box with Matrox G400 graphics. And that was only (semi)recently upgraded from a 750MHz P3. (Even though the client PCs that we ship are P4C 2.8GHz boxes with Radeon 9800Pros. Go fig.)

Anywho, electricity use really isn't a consideration to most businesses. Maybe it <i>should</i> be more important, but as far as I've seen, it isn't.

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Well it power consumption becomes a problem again this summer, it may well become a concern :smile:

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Challenging the exam and having a uncle that is good friends with the faculty helps even more.

Last 2 years of teaching myself how to program *I use that term lightly* was the hardest point in my life thus far.

But you are right programming has been my life’s dream I am just glad I am finally moving along.

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I intend to make some very impressive games actually. Should look for me in the next 5-10 years you might be impressed.

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You assume too much.

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