[SOLVED] Significant upgrade from RX480?

[Naxis]

I'm just curious as to people's opinions on what a significant upgrade from a 4gig RX 480 would be.

I play in 1080p (but would like to go higher rez eventually)

I have a bit of an old CPU, an i5 3450, but from what I can gather there doesn't seem to be much benefit in upgrading it (interested in opinions on that too).

I'm looking for something up to £300-£400 that will be a worthwhile step up and futureproof me for a good few years.

As an example, I'm playing Assasin's Creed Odyssey and I get on average something like 30-35 fps, higher in less complex areas. It would be nice to get a solid 60fps in all games.

Thanks.

 

[volkgren]

7th-gen Intel should not be a consideration. 8th or 9th-gen Intel or AMD Ryzen.

 

[mgallo848]

I would look at the ryzen 2600X. It's great bang for your buck. The I5 7400 is only four cores and 4 threads. It's not something I would consider in 2018

 

[jankerson]

Yes there's a pretty nice bump in speed if you're looking at a new i5 that is 6 cores or an i7 that has 12 threads but then again you'll have to upgrade the motherboard and memory also. If your budget doesn't allow you for a new motherboard CPU combo then I would say and i7 3770k is definitely worth it. It should last you until 2020. That would give you plenty of time to save up and upgrade your system then

I can afford to upgrade the motherboard too. Two possibilities I'm currently looking at:

i5 7400 or RYZEN 5 1600. Difficult to choose, but I like the fact the Ryzen has 6 cores.

You would be better off sticking with what you have and upgrading to an I7 2700K

Either one of those options is a waste of money compared to just putting in a 2700K, they are generally well under $200 now used.

If you are planning to upgrade then upgrade to the newest generation 8th or 9th generation Intel, or don't bother.

Either the I7 3770K or I7 2700K can be had cheap now used and will work fine for what you want for awhile until you can save for a completely new machine without cutting performance (Wasting money).

 

[Naxis]

I would look at the ryzen 2600X. It's great bang for your buck. The I5 7400 is only four cores and 4 threads. It's not something I would consider in 2018

Yes there's a pretty nice bump in speed if you're looking at a new i5 that is 6 cores or an i7 that has 12 threads but then again you'll have to upgrade the motherboard and memory also. If your budget doesn't allow you for a new motherboard CPU combo then I would say and i7 3770k is definitely worth it. It should last you until 2020. That would give you plenty of time to save up and upgrade your system then

I can afford to upgrade the motherboard too. Two possibilities I'm currently looking at:

i5 7400 or RYZEN 5 1600. Difficult to choose, but I like the fact the Ryzen has 6 cores.

You would be better off sticking with what you have and upgrading to an I7 2700K

Either one of those options is a waste of money compared to just putting in a 2700K, they are generally under $200 now used.

If you are planning to upgrade then upgrade to the newest generation 8th or 9th generation Intel, or don't bother.

You don't think that's a bit outdated compared to something more modern like a ryzen 2600X?

I'm cautious about spending extra on something that's going to offer minimal difference though.

 

[jankerson]

I would look at the ryzen 2600X. It's great bang for your buck. The I5 7400 is only four cores and 4 threads. It's not something I would consider in 2018

Yes there's a pretty nice bump in speed if you're looking at a new i5 that is 6 cores or an i7 that has 12 threads but then again you'll have to upgrade the motherboard and memory also. If your budget doesn't allow you for a new motherboard CPU combo then I would say and i7 3770k is definitely worth it. It should last you until 2020. That would give you plenty of time to save up and upgrade your system then

I can afford to upgrade the motherboard too. Two possibilities I'm currently looking at:

i5 7400 or RYZEN 5 1600. Difficult to choose, but I like the fact the Ryzen has 6 cores.

You would be better off sticking with what you have and upgrading to an I7 2700K

Either one of those options is a waste of money compared to just putting in a 2700K, they are generally under $200 now used.

If you are planning to upgrade then upgrade to the newest generation 8th or 9th generation Intel, or don't bother.

You don't think that's a bit outdated compared to something more modern like a ryzen 2600X?

I'm cautious about spending extra on something that's going to offer minimal difference though.

Better than doing what you were planning, upgrading to a slower system than you could have for under $200 NOW.

Like I said if you are going to upgrade then UPGRADE to the newest 8th or 9th Generation Intel.

I don't even consider AMD an option in a gaming machine performance wise over Intel.

 

[mgallo848]

Sorry but you couldn't possibly be more wrong . Naxos, I would suggest you do some reading up on yourself so you can make an educated decision because you're going to get misinformed people that fake AMD is not worth buying LOL

 

[Naxis]

Sorry but you couldn't possibly be more wrong . Naxos, I would suggest you do some reading up on yourself so you can make an educated decision because you're going to get misinformed people that fake AMD is not worth buying LOL

Oh I'm doing lots of reading, but it's good to get opinions from people who are more immersed in the topic than I am.

I know people have their biases. I prefer intel but I'm not committed to them.

Here's some benchmarks of the two CPUs that show the R5 2600x as being quite a lot faster than the i7 3770.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8t2z1v/i7_3770_vs_r5_2600x_game_benchmarks_inside/

 

[volkgren]

He didn't say AMD isn't worth buying. He said it isn't worth buying to him. Big difference.

 

[jankerson]

Sorry but you couldn't possibly be more wrong . Naxos, I would suggest you do some reading up on yourself so you can make an educated decision because you're going to get misinformed people that fake AMD is not worth buying LOL

Oh I'm doing lots of reading, but it's good to get opinions from people who are more immersed in the topic than I am.

I know people have their biases. I prefer intel but I'm not committed to them.

Here's some benchmarks of the two CPUs that show the R5 2600x as being quite a lot faster than the i7 3770.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8t2z1v/i7_3770_vs_r5_2600x_game_benchmarks_inside/

Well under $200 for a 3770K compared to the cost of a MB, CPU, RAM and Operating system, like what around $600+.

Then you will have plenty of time to save up for what you really want later without having to skimp.

 

[jankerson]

He didn't say AMD isn't worth buying. He said it isn't worth buying to him. Big difference.

Exactly...

 

[Naxis]

Sorry but you couldn't possibly be more wrong . Naxos, I would suggest you do some reading up on yourself so you can make an educated decision because you're going to get misinformed people that fake AMD is not worth buying LOL

Oh I'm doing lots of reading, but it's good to get opinions from people who are more immersed in the topic than I am.

I know people have their biases. I prefer intel but I'm not committed to them.

Here's some benchmarks of the two CPUs that show the R5 2600x as being quite a lot faster than the i7 3770.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8t2z1v/i7_3770_vs_r5_2600x_game_benchmarks_inside/

Well under $200 for a 3770K compared to the cost of a MB, CPU, RAM and Operating system, like what around $600+.

More like about $400 mark for what I'm looking at. If I buy that then it'll be my system for a good few years and I'd eventually upgrade the GPU on top of that.

I'm still not sure though.

 

[jankerson]

Sorry but you couldn't possibly be more wrong . Naxos, I would suggest you do some reading up on yourself so you can make an educated decision because you're going to get misinformed people that fake AMD is not worth buying LOL

Oh I'm doing lots of reading, but it's good to get opinions from people who are more immersed in the topic than I am.

I know people have their biases. I prefer intel but I'm not committed to them.

Here's some benchmarks of the two CPUs that show the R5 2600x as being quite a lot faster than the i7 3770.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8t2z1v/i7_3770_vs_r5_2600x_game_benchmarks_inside/

Well under $200 for a 3770K compared to the cost of a MB, CPU, RAM and Operating system, like what around $600+.

More like about $400 mark for what I'm looking at. If I buy that then it'll be my system for a good few years and I'd eventually upgrade the GPU on top of that.

I'm still not sure though.

$400, bad idea..... Cutting costs.... Then 2 years from now, if it lasts that long you would be upgrading it even more, possibly having to rebuy all over again. Throwing more good money after bad into it.

Not worth it, stick with what you have and put in the 3770K, you won't have to change anything except the CPU and it will do fine for awhile as it is.

Then save up and build a good machine using good parts.

The smarter move would be to do as I said then if you want upgrade the GPU to a GTX 1070 or GTX 1080 and get a new 1440P Monitor. Then down the road you can transfer the GPU and Monitor to the new build.

At 1440P there would be even less of a difference between the 3770K and what you were talking about doing, that's if you upgrade the GPU also. An RX 480 really can't handle 1440P very well.

My point is if you are going to do it then do it right the 1st time or don't do it at all.

 

[Naxis]

Sorry but you couldn't possibly be more wrong . Naxos, I would suggest you do some reading up on yourself so you can make an educated decision because you're going to get misinformed people that fake AMD is not worth buying LOL

Oh I'm doing lots of reading, but it's good to get opinions from people who are more immersed in the topic than I am.

I know people have their biases. I prefer intel but I'm not committed to them.

Here's some benchmarks of the two CPUs that show the R5 2600x as being quite a lot faster than the i7 3770.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8t2z1v/i7_3770_vs_r5_2600x_game_benchmarks_inside/

Well under $200 for a 3770K compared to the cost of a MB, CPU, RAM and Operating system, like what around $600+.

More like about $400 mark for what I'm looking at. If I buy that then it'll be my system for a good few years and I'd eventually upgrade the GPU on top of that.

I'm still not sure though.

$400, bad idea..... Cutting costs.... Then 2 years from now, if it lasts that long you would be upgrading it even more, possibly having to rebuy all over again. Throwing more good money after bad into it.

Not worth it, stick with what you have and put in the 3770K, you won't have to change anything except the CPU and it will do fine for awhile as it is.

Then save up and build a good machine using good parts.

The smarter move would be to do as I said then if you want upgrade the GPU to a GTX 1070 or GTX 1080 and get a new 1440P Monitor. Then down the road you can transfer the GPU and Monitor to the new build.

At 1440P there would be even less of a difference between the 3770K and what you were talking about doing, that's if you upgrade the GPU also. An RX 480 really can't handle 1440P very well.

My point is if you are going to do it then do it right the 1st time or don't do it at all.

Thanks for everyone's opinions. Some combination of everyone's advice is what I'll probably end up with

 

[volkgren]

Thanks for everyone's opinions. Some combination of everyone's advice is what I'll probably end up with

That sounds like a plan. Best to get whatever you want after doing some research.

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

Just upgrading the CPU to a 3770K would nab you a bit more performance in the here and now and save a little bit of money, but it completely screws you on future upgrades. The most powerful video card I'd pair with something like a 3770K is a GTX 1060 6GB or RX 580. Anything more and you'll be back into CPU bottleneck territory. The 3770K would be exactly what I'd pair an RX 480 with. It is a perfectly balanced system.

The problem is that later, when you want a faster CPU and GPU you'll be looking at basically a full system build and the costs associated with it. You'll have spent $200 for 14% more performance and nothing more. No upgrade path what so ever. Going with something like an i5 8400 or a Ryzen 5 2600 leaves you with great upgrade potential later. On the Intel side you could go all the way up to a 9900K and on the AMD side you not only have the Ryzen 2700X but the top chip from the next generation as well. Plus having an i5 8400 or Ryzen 5 2600 offers you a much greater graphics card potential for future upgrades. I would not hesitate to pair a GTX 1080Ti or an RTX 2080 with an 8400 or 2600. That would result in a very well balanced system.

So an upgrade now to a mid range, current generation CPU will get you a good CPU performance bump, little performance increase on your RX 480, and when you are ready for a graphics card upgrade you can basically go for current top end performance. Getting a 3770K right now is a bad investment. Sure, you'll get a little more CPU and a little more GPU performance, which is fine if that is ALL you are worried about, but not making the most of your money and locking yourself into a very harsh on the bank account future upgrade.

 

[mgallo848]

$400, bad idea..... Cutting costs.... Then 2 years from now, if it lasts that long you would be upgrading it even more, possibly having to rebuy all over again. Throwing more good money after bad into it.

Not worth it, stick with what you have and put in the 3770K, you won't have to change anything except the CPU and it will do fine for awhile as it is.

So let's think about this:

An AMD 2600 is waaay faster (and cheaper) than a i7 3770k.

YOU say he'll probably have to replace the 2600x 2 years from now....or less (That's a complete lie and over exaggeration)

But yet you tell him it's better to buy a 6 year old part instead? If the 2600 will last only 2 years how long will the 3770k last? 2 months?

Just stop with the exaggeration about AMD CPU's.

FYI: Used i7 3770k sells for approx $180-200 https://www.ebay.com/itm/lntel-Core-i7-3770K-3-5Ghz-8MB-4-cores-Socket-1155-5-GT-s-DMI-Desktop-CPU/173660561813?hash=item286ef9e195:rk:1😛f:0

New 2600 sells for $149 at Micro Center https://www.microcenter.com/product/505628/ryzen-5-2600-34ghz-6-core-am4-boxed-processor-with-wraith-stealth-cooler

 

[King_V]

The arguing back and forth is pointless.

If you are interested in a CPU upgrade, it's probably a better idea to get a new MB, DDR4 RAM, and CPU than to try to get a used CPU, since the highest-end CPUs for older platforms tend to be overpriced.

8th or 9th generation Intel, or AMD Ryzen. Can't really go wrong with either.

 

[Naxis]

Having now looked at some bottleneck "calculators" and other PC building tools, I think going with a new Ryzen CPU and MB that's within my price range is the better idea, because like a few of you have said, upgrading my current MB to a i7 3770k will only maximise my current system and leave no room for upgrades.

I'm never going to buy a high priced top-tier graphics card, the next one I buy (not for a while yet) will probably be something upper-mid range like a 1070 Ti, or maybe one of the new Navis if they turn out to be good. According to the bottleneck calculators I used, a Ryzen 2600x is more than capable of handling way beyond the most expensive GPU I will buy, so that leaves plenty of room for possible future upgrades without having to buy another CPU.

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

Having now looked at some bottleneck "calculators" and other PC building tools, I think going with a new Ryzen CPU and MB that's within my price range is the better idea, because like a few of you have said, upgrading my current MB to a i7 3770k will only maximise my current system and leave no room for upgrades.

I'm never going to buy a high priced top-tier graphics card, the next one I buy (not for a while yet) will probably be something upper-mid range like a 1070 Ti, or maybe one of the new Navis if they turn out to be good. According to the bottleneck calculators I used, a Ryzen 2600x is more than capable of handling way beyond the most expensive GPU I will buy, so that leaves plenty of room for possible future upgrades without having to buy another CPU.

I think you will be very happy with your choice. The Ryzen 5 CPUs are a great deal for what you get. They also offer a great upgrade path later on. So when 6 cores and 12 threads don't cut it anymore you can drop in a Ryzen 7 3700X (rumored to have possibly 12-16 cores plus SMT) and still be relevant for a while longer.

Navi is rumored to be pretty darn awesome as well. The hot rumor is a card coming out with GTX 1080 performance at RX 580 prices. That would be pretty sweet. Even if it is 1070 performance for 580 prices that'd be a pretty good deal.

Good luck with your build.

 

[King_V]

Having now looked at some bottleneck "calculators"

I support the decision to go modern . . but I STRONGLY advise that any time you see a bottleneck calculator site, or any suggestion to calculate bottleneck, tell yourself the following:

"I will NEVER, EVER go to that site."

Bottleneck calculators are, I would say, worse than useless.